3 years without so much as a postcard and then scatter gun questions?widerball wrote:What? Who? Why? When? Where?
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3 years without so much as a postcard and then scatter gun questions?widerball wrote:What? Who? Why? When? Where?
Nothing surprises me anymore. Were no minutes taken?Snipe Watson wrote:3 years without so much as a postcard and then scatter gun questions?widerball wrote:What? Who? Why? When? Where?
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About 210.widerball wrote:Nothing surprises me anymore. Were no minutes taken?Snipe Watson wrote:3 years without so much as a postcard and then scatter gun questions?widerball wrote:What? Who? Why? When? Where?
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Saw some people suggesting today that the fact the jury took such a short time meant that they didn't take it seriously or examine the evidence properly! The idiocy of some people is astounding.Snipe Watson wrote:About 210.widerball wrote:Nothing surprises me anymore. Were no minutes taken?Snipe Watson wrote:3 years without so much as a postcard and then scatter gun questions?widerball wrote:What? Who? Why? When? Where?
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Correct, unless you are in that boy band The Birmingham Six, or the Guildford Fab Four, whereas it should have been a certain member of the Jackson Five (no relative) who saw time in Chokey. Or any of several folk, not FOLK, fitted up by what I assume, like all things British, is the best police force in the world, pushing the B Specials into a close second.Dave wrote: The presumption of innocence is the cornerstone of the British legal system. Guilt must be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Ron'n, sorry to be rude but I read my name and then the first line and thought, feck it, Ron was accurate last night so I'm not going to wade my way through it. I assume you were the foreman of the Jjjjjjjjury and you used to be a man but now you are apparently a woman ............ something like that I think. Anyway glad you got a spot on the jury, did you influence the decision? Dessie isn't convinced.rumncoke wrote:Baggy
Her story between 3 04 and 3 50 has précision and clarity her story between the time she discovered period had come early that is the phone call to Uber, have précision and clarity and therefore are almost certainly true
The confusion and variation and totally lacking in plausibility and totally out of agreement with the defendants is from 3 50 and 4 43
Since both Jackson and Olding were recovering from a 12 + hours flight from South Africa and 12 hours of fairly heavy drinking where the average input was 2 drinks an hour I would be surprised if their stories dovetailed in every detail but there is sufficient agreement to make them plausible — their is little or no agreement with her recall of that time which is extremely surprising .
The only difference one would expect when a parties admit to sexual activity would be the matter of consent or the nature of the threat or force exerted to impose the rapist’s will .
Her story is so full of the unbelievable - he undid her belt - pulled down her pants to her knees she then asks ?? He use a condom — he replies I am and he is holding or forcing her face down on the bed - she then - face down on the bed - looks him in the eye when Stuart Olding comes in « not him too «
She couldn’t remember when or how her upper garments were removed -
I froze - in walks Dara and she turns her head so as not to be photographed
The best evidence she could have produced to support her claim would have been a photograph - but she didn’t want one — she’s not that stupid !!
The problem with her evidence is it is a mixture of truth and fiction .
The problem with McIllroy’s evidence is that it has no tie into hers or Jackson’s or Olding’s
Except in her first text
raped by 3?- thus there is that link to make his evidence to be true in parts and imperfect recall in other but he had flown from America and had a large consumption of Alcohol confusion is possible .
Possibly Olding had left the room and was asleep elsewhere and Jackson could also been asleep from the effects of flight drink and alcohol .
But McIllroy’s evidence is the most questionable of those made by the defendants and yet his charge is the vaguest but the fact it is questionable in my view makes a conspiracy less likely .
The four gentlemen are well educate and too clever to muck up a conspiracy their stories would dovetail together like a James Patterson collaboration.
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Im confused how your reply fits into me watching Jonathan Pie?dessos wrote:Sorry, I thought the video was pretty self-evident on why it's worthwhile asking questions about the systems that pass judgement on people. I express some concern in this area, and that makes me an insane cretin? Cheers... roll on 1984.Dave wrote:What?
Looks like ive lost 30kgTheSnapper wrote:Russ, Dave and Baggy at Welders charity summer ball
You know the old saying: "blacking up for the camera takes off 30 kilos".Russ wrote:Looks like ive lost 30kgTheSnapper wrote:Russ, Dave and Baggy at Welders charity summer ball
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