The UAFC

Dave wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:55 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote:

Dave wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:14 pm Slavery was grand too. Different era.

Slavery was not grand - nor was shooting animals for fun. I have no hesitation in stating that straight up. What I do find hard to do is condemn people for conforming to the attitudes and norms of society for the period in which they lived.

Slavery existed since the beginning of human times - it was not started by a few Europeans sending Africans to Europe and the Americas. Actually, the ones most guilty of that were other Africans selling slaves to the Europeans for transportation, but we're getting off topic here.

As I say, slavery has existed for millennia, but it took until a few hundred years ago for most to change their minds on the morality of that.It took years of re-educating to get to where we are now. Of course some took longer to get there than others - that was often because they stood to lose money by its abolition. Indeed there are still some cultures that don't see too much wrong with slavery.

None of that makes slavery right, but we have the benefit of hindsight and modern ethics to come to that decision. Others in centuries past did not have that and merely conformed to the accepted norm of the time. Does that make it right? No, of course not, but should we condemn them for conforming to accepted practices? I don't think so.

So we can't condemn the slave traders? OK. That's your opinion. You're very entitled to it.

Happy birthday

Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:54 pm

Snipe Watson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:34 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:14 pm Slavery was grand too. Different era.

Wise up Dave, why not throw in the Holocaust for good measure. Hardly comparing apples with apples.

I don't think the Holocaust was ever grand.

BR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:00 am

Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:54 pm

Snipe Watson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:34 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:14 pm Slavery was grand too. Different era.

Wise up Dave, why not throw in the Holocaust for good measure. Hardly comparing apples with apples.

I don't think the Holocaust was ever grand.

The very worst aspects of the holocaust were not common knowledge.

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:40 am

BR wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:00 am

Jackie Brown wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:54 pm

Snipe Watson wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:34 pm

Dave wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:14 pm Slavery was grand too. Different era.

Wise up Dave, why not throw in the Holocaust for good measure. Hardly comparing apples with apples.

I don't think the Holocaust was ever grand.

The very worst aspects of the holocaust were not common knowledge.

Aye it's easy to look back on it through rose tinted lenses.

rumncoke wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:34 pm Long before the Africans the Vikings were the leading slavers of western Europe and one of the biggest markets was Dublin

But back to Topic me I prefer to live with what I consider" A Benign Monarchy " where the forces of Law and Order are supposedly accountable to the Crown rather than the Leader of the Government of the Day who could be the biggest and worstest despot money can impose on you.

Philip was what maybe considered a wise man with a foolish mouth just waiting for the disrespectful to exploit

Its a shame he never got a telegram from his wife

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm
Approx 40% of the founding population of Iceland were Irish slaves.

There is a very high incidence of red hair in Iceland.

Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 pm

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.

Not sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.

What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.

Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:16 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 pm

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.

Not sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.

What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.

Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!

You're bending the knee by tolerating their status.

Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:44 pm

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:16 pm

Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 8:52 pm

big mervyn wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:46 pm All you obsequious Royal sycophants should try and have a bit of self respect and stop bending the knee to such a ludicrous family.

Not sure I'm an obsequious royal sycophant or not - I judge each of them on their actions and some of them I have some respect for, some I have no respect for.

What I will tell ye for nothing is that when I was outvoted by the Grumpy family and made to wait and see HM and HRH her consort, they stood in front of me just a few feet away and I didn't bend the knee to either of them and I persuaded my family that we had better things to do than hang around there gawping.

Am I an obsequious sycophant? For the sake of my self-respect, I need to know!

You're bending the knee by tolerating their status.

I tolerate their status the same as you do.

Yapping about them and criticising now and again ain't gonna get you your republic, other than that for both of us they have no day to day relevance.