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Bangors wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:54 pm Will any England player ever get a ban that means he will be unavailable for either an international or club game of any importance?
Some barrister this guy!!
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justinr73 wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 3:37 pm It wasn’t the worst tackle he’s ever made.

Glad to see the ‘bunker’ system working so well!
Aye but he's been to tackle school.... Does this teach you how to decapitate without sanction in future? What's the point if he's a recidivist?
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Great to see Kieran Treadwell getting his chance with Ireland..... At least he won't be broken come October
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CIMANFOREVER wrote: Wed Aug 16, 2023 9:46 pm Great to see Kieran Treadwell getting his chance with Ireland..... At least he won't be broken come October
He did well last summer but his performances all season for Ulster have not backed that up at all.
He's not got the credit in the bank some others have.

He was no better than AOC or Sam Carter fir Ulster last season which says it all.
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To be fair to Treadwell -- he is a player who improves and responses to the quality of players around him --playing with Ulster he is inclined to carry beyond his support thus becoming a penalty machine being penalised for non release . When playing as a sub for Ireland he has seldom if ever failed to perform while adding bulk to the second row ( weight ) .

Weight is an advantage when some players a tiring and losing power because they are slower hitting the rucks and don't have the bulk to maintain forward momentum.

His lack of pace compared to Baird may have been a deciding factor and the fact that Baird as a sub can cover second row and back row and against Scotland Ireland will need a mobile pack to beat Scotland to the breakdown.
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To be fair to Treadwell -- he is a player who improves and responses to the quality of players around him --playing with Ulster he is inclined to carry beyond his support thus becoming a penalty machine being penalised for non release . When playing as a sub for Ireland he has seldom if ever failed to perform while adding bulk to the second row ( weight ) .

Weight is an advantage when some players a tiring and losing power because they are slower hitting the rucks and don't have the bulk to maintain forward momentum.

His lack of pace compared to Baird may have been a deciding factor and the fact that Baird as a sub can cover second row and back row and against Scotland Ireland will need a mobile pack to beat Scotland to the breakdown.
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jeez i never thought id see a player criticised for "carrying beyond his support" - if he carries over the gain line and the support players miss the clean out, that's on them, not him. What's the alternative - ask him to stop on contact so the support players can keep up?
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chunky wrote: Thu Aug 17, 2023 12:19 pm jeez i never thought id see a player criticised for "carrying beyond his support" - if he carries over the gain line and the support players miss the clean out, that's on them, not him. What's the alternative - ask him to stop on contact so the support players can keep up?
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To carry beyond your support is to become isolated and easily turned over or be penalised in other words your effort was in vain.

Ball retention is as important if not more important than yards gained.

Failure to make the gain line results in forwards going backwards to join a ruck and the opposition are entering the ruck going forwards one is as bad as the other both lead to turnovers and penalties -- as players going backwards often join a ruck from the side.

Rugby is not a game of individual effort by a forward -- the a forwards have to play as a pack it requires team work.

A mauled try by a hooker is the product of the seven players in front of him
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This was before the World Rugby appeal put the card into question again. https://www.rugbypass.com/news/six-nati ... TER,FF1W,1

Looks like I'm not the only one who hadn't a clue what they were talking about. Anybody any idea how it will all turn out?
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TWO WEEK BAN with one week served by missing the Ireland game
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rumncoke wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:10 am TWO WEEK BAN with one week served by missing the Ireland game
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rumncoke wrote: Sat Aug 19, 2023 1:10 am TWO WEEK BAN with one week served by missing the Ireland game
Panels are entitled to come to findings of fact, as they did here regarding George’s ‘intervention’, which become incredibly difficult to overturn on appeal.

WR will no doubt start, at least, with an argument that the tackle was highly reckless (and I’m not sure it was) meaning mitigation shouldn’t enter into the equation.

If Farrell does get done then his previous, and the fact that he didn’t ‘fess up, means that he’s getting more than two weeks.
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Is there precedent for voluntarily missing games before the outcome of an appeal counting towards any subsequent ban?
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I fear that Rob Herring has played himself off the plane this afternoon.
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