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URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:23 pm
by BR
http://ursc.co/?p=6948

These sorts of things are normally flagged up in advace, but there seems to have been unusually little publicity about this one. :stir:
The Ulster Rugby Supporters Club opened a membership consultation on its draft new Constitution, which aims to modernise the current constitution.

The current constitution under which the supporters club operates was last updated in 2004. In keeping with the principles of good governance the Committee undertook a review of the current constitution.

URSC consultation on its proposed new constitution opened on Wednesday 4 March 2015 and will run for four weeks.

Any member who wishes to comment on it must do so by Tuesday 7 April 2015. Comments should be either emailed to URSC at ulsterrugbysupportersclub@hotmail.com or submitted in writing to URSC, Kingspan Stadium, 85 Ravenhill Park, Belfast, BT6 0DG.

Participant must include their name, address and membership number. Comments will only be accepted from URSC members.

URSC hopes its members will take the time to read the proposed new constitution which will be put to the vote at URSC Annual General Meeting on Monday 18 May 2015 at H3 lounge Kingspan Stadium, 85 Ravenhill Park, Belfast, BT6 0DG.

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:48 pm
by Snipe Watson
BR wrote:http://ursc.co/?p=6948

These sorts of things are normally flagged up in advace, but there seems to have been unusually little publicity about this one. :stir:
The Ulster Rugby Supporters Club opened a membership consultation on its draft new Constitution, which aims to modernise the current constitution.

The current constitution under which the supporters club operates was last updated in 2004. In keeping with the principles of good governance the Committee undertook a review of the current constitution.

URSC consultation on its proposed new constitution opened on Wednesday 4 March 2015 and will run for four weeks.

Any member who wishes to comment on it must do so by Tuesday 7 April 2015. Comments should be either emailed to URSC at ulsterrugbysupportersclub@hotmail.com or submitted in writing to URSC, Kingspan Stadium, 85 Ravenhill Park, Belfast, BT6 0DG.

Participant must include their name, address and membership number. Comments will only be accepted from URSC members.

URSC hopes its members will take the time to read the proposed new constitution which will be put to the vote at URSC Annual General Meeting on Monday 18 May 2015 at H3 lounge Kingspan Stadium, 85 Ravenhill Park, Belfast, BT6 0DG.
For the life of me, I cannot imagine why.............

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 1:48 pm
by BaggyTrousers
Should I be bothered I will suggest that the website rejects comments which are actually adverts worldwide. Indian Takeaway Auckland????????????????????????????????

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:02 pm
by BR
If a committee quorum is now to be 5, but a committee member can resign provided there are 4 members remaining. Could that not cause a problem?

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:55 pm
by Snipe Watson
BR wrote:If a committee quorum is now to be 5, but a committee member can resign provided there are 4 members remaining. Could that not cause a problem?
As long as he or she resigns at the end of the meeting under AOB and allow the rest of the notified business to be dealt with while they are quorate. Time for coffee and buns.

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:39 pm
by BR
Snipe Watson wrote:
BR wrote:If a committee quorum is now to be 5, but a committee member can resign provided there are 4 members remaining. Could that not cause a problem?
As long as he or she resigns at the end of the meeting under AOB and allow the rest of the notified business to be dealt with while they are quorate. Time for coffee and buns.
But if there are only 5 members to start with, how do they do any more business before the next AGM?

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:34 pm
by Rooster
BR wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:
BR wrote:If a committee quorum is now to be 5, but a committee member can resign provided there are 4 members remaining. Could that not cause a problem?
As long as he or she resigns at the end of the meeting under AOB and allow the rest of the notified business to be dealt with while they are quorate. Time for coffee and buns.
But if there are only 5 members to start with, how do they do any more business before the next AGM?
Would it not be extremely unusual for the quorum to be the size of the entire committee as it would then require full attendance before any business could be ratified.

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 7:36 pm
by BR
Maybe misread. Minimum Committee size is 5. New quorum size is 5.

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:25 pm
by Snipe Watson
BR wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:
BR wrote:If a committee quorum is now to be 5, but a committee member can resign provided there are 4 members remaining. Could that not cause a problem?
As long as he or she resigns at the end of the meeting under AOB and allow the rest of the notified business to be dealt with while they are quorate. Time for coffee and buns.
But if there are only 5 members to start with, how do they do any more business before the next AGM?
EGM or chaos

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2015 11:31 pm
by BR
Probably should be '5 or all members'

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:14 am
by TheSnapper
Outside influence??

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:26 pm
by Rooster
BR wrote:Maybe misread. Minimum Committee size is 5. New quorum size is 5.
That could be correct but it would be advisable that there are normally 8 in the committee if 5 is the quorum as that means any decisions taken are taken by a majority of the committee, if you only have 5 in the committee then the minimum quorum is 3.
If anyone wants to get really technical then read Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:08 pm
by Snipe Watson
Rooster wrote:
BR wrote:Maybe misread. Minimum Committee size is 5. New quorum size is 5.
That could be correct but it would be advisable that there are normally 8 in the committee if 5 is the quorum as that means any decisions taken are taken by a majority of the committee, if you only have 5 in the committee then the minimum quorum is 3.
If anyone wants to get really technical then read Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament
Take your word for it Roaster.....you seem like an honest sort.



Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament.......rather read Rum's treatise on exploiting the 3 on 1 overlap by gaslight.

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:06 am
by Rooster
Snipe Watson wrote:
Rooster wrote:
BR wrote:Maybe misread. Minimum Committee size is 5. New quorum size is 5.
That could be correct but it would be advisable that there are normally 8 in the committee if 5 is the quorum as that means any decisions taken are taken by a majority of the committee, if you only have 5 in the committee then the minimum quorum is 3.
If anyone wants to get really technical then read Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament
Take your word for it Roaster.....you seem like an honest sort.



Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament.......rather read Rum's treatise on exploiting the 3 on 1 overlap by gaslight.
I was involved a few years ago in a disputed committee decision and it is pretty complex but the stated 5 will save any such situations and I would like to hope such a situation would never arise.
Protocols for committee business and such like are fairly complex if someone wants to cause problems so it is best that in something where the office bearers and members are volunteers that any possible chance of problems is covered.

Re: URSC AGM 18 May 2015 - Constitution change?

Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:51 am
by Snipe Watson
Rooster wrote:
Snipe Watson wrote:
Rooster wrote:
BR wrote:Maybe misread. Minimum Committee size is 5. New quorum size is 5.
That could be correct but it would be advisable that there are normally 8 in the committee if 5 is the quorum as that means any decisions taken are taken by a majority of the committee, if you only have 5 in the committee then the minimum quorum is 3.
If anyone wants to get really technical then read Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament
Take your word for it Roaster.....you seem like an honest sort.



Erskine May's Treatise on the Law, Privileges, Proceedings and Usage of Parliament.......rather read Rum's treatise on exploiting the 3 on 1 overlap by gaslight.
I was involved a few years ago in a disputed committee decision and it is pretty complex but the stated 5 will save any such situations and I would like to hope such a situation would never arise.
Protocols for committee business and such like are fairly complex if someone wants to cause problems so it is best that in something where the office bearers and members are volunteers that any possible chance of problems is covered.
Agreed. The constitution needs to be written by someone with expertise in that area. Other than good manners, there's no real point putting it out to consultation amongst the membership.