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Wasn't sure where to put this so I've decided on the main board as ultimately if it comes to fruition it really will screw up the development of players for Ulster and all other Pro and Amateur teams

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-35696238
The BBC wrote:More than 70 doctors and academics are calling for a ban on tackling in rugby matches played in UK and Irish schools.
In an open letter to ministers, they say injuries from this "high-impact collision sport" can have lifelong consequences for children.

They argue two thirds of injuries in youth rugby and most concussions are down to tackles and urge schools to move to touch and non-contact rugby.

Supporters say rugby builds character and other forms are less challenging.

The concerns have been raised as a seven-year programme headed by the Rugby Football Union is on target to introduce rugby to a million children in state schools across England.

The RFU's programme, which began in 2012 and is running until 2019, has so far reached 400 schools, with 350 to follow.

'Fractures and dislocations'

But, in their letter to ministers, chief medical officers and children's commissioners in England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, doctors say the risks for players aged under 18 are high.
They say many secondary schools in the UK deliver contact rugby as a compulsory part of the physical education curriculum from the age of 11.

"The majority of all injuries occur during contact or collision, such as the tackle and the scrum," the letter says.
"These injuries, which include fractures, ligamentous tears, dislocated shoulders, spinal injuries and head injuries can have short-term, lifelong and life-ending consequences for children."

The doctors say concussion is a common injury, and they highlight a link between "repeat concussions and cognitive impairment and an association with depression, memory loss and diminished verbal abilities".

One of the signatories of the open letter is Prof Allyson Pollock, from Queen Mary University of London, who has long campaigned about the dangers of rugby.

She said evidence collected over 12 years showed rugby players up to the age of 18 or 19 had a 28% chance of getting injured over a season of 15 matches.

"If you're thinking of a million children playing every year with this risk of injury you're looking at 300,000 extra injuries a year, including up to 100,000 concussions," she said.

She added that 90% of injuries resulted in more than seven days lost from school.

There are various forms of touch or tag rugby, in which tackles are replaced by touching a player or removing a tag from their clothing. Aspects of rugby such as scrums and rucks are also excluded from these forms of the game.

PE teacher's view
Jonny Cross, a PE teacher at Congleton High School in Cheshire - where rugby is compulsory from the age of 11 - says the sport provides a challenge.

Mr Cross says children wear gum-shields and are taught how to maintain the proper posture in scrums to avoid injury, a technique known as "tower of power".

"Contact rugby helps build character. They are putting their body on the line in a match. The risk factor is part of it," he says.
"They enjoy the contact element. There is a 'boy factor' - it's partly about developing masculinity. They would be more likely to be bored by touch rugby.

"I would say that some students need it. It provides a challenge, where challenge is being taken out of everyday life."
Parents and pupils on tackling in rugby

The RFU said it took player safety "extremely seriously" and it was currently undertaking a large-scale injury surveillance and prevention project in schools.

A spokeswoman added: "We believe that rugby is a fantastic sport for children with many physical and social benefits, which can include an increase in confidence, self-esteem and self-discipline, as well as getting enjoyable physical exercise while working as part of a team.

"Teachers frequently comment on notable off-pitch improvements when the sport is introduced in their schools."

The Welsh Rugby Union said it too took player safety "extremely seriously".

"We believe that rugby is a fantastic sport for children, and when inactivity and obesity are major societal issues, the health and social benefits of rugby participation massively outweigh any potential drawbacks," it said in a statement.

"Among the many positive benefits rugby brings for children is an increase in confidence, self-esteem and self-discipline, as well as getting enjoyable physical exercise while working as part of a team, learning skills which help them in the wider world."

Southern hemisphere
South African schools allow tackling, as do schools in Australia - although there has been a recent push to make children wear protective headgear, but this is not compulsory.

In New Zealand, tackling is permitted, but in some schools it is banned in lunchtime games that are not being supervised.

Former England rugby player Matt Perry said: "If you take the tackle out of rugby what have you got left? Where do you stop?"
He added: "I took a risk when I started rugby at seven and I'm afraid at school level if that tackle is taken out we've lost one of the great games and one of the great cultural games."

The Association for Physical Education said contact versions of the game should be introduced and managed only by "suitably experienced staff" following recognised guidelines.

"The wearing of personal protective equipment (mouth guards and head protectors where appropriate) is recommended at all times," the association said.

"Parents should be aware of what sports are taught in the schools they choose to send their children to - if rugby is taught, then parents send their children to the school in the knowledge that they are likely to be asked to play rugby at some level."

A spokesman for the Department for Education in England said: "Team sports, such as rugby, play an important role in developing character.

"We expect schools to be aware of the risks associated with sporting activities and to provide a safe environment for pupils."
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Or how about giving folks the freedom to choose for themselves.

If they want to play tag, there are already teams. If they want full contact, there are teams - but there wouldn't be if it were banned.
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These are probably the same people who want to ban playing cheesers in school grounds. :roll:

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There are elements to this that I agree with but it doesn't boil down to stopping tackling. It boils down to the following

1. Correct tackle technique - better coaching
2. Stopping the huge size disparities amongst players

Interestingly, both of those exist in the world's best rugby nation and none of those exist in the Northern Hemisphere

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Surely, this is exactly the kind of initiative that is needed to prevent our schools pumping out gym bunnies with no basic rugby skills and thus ruining Ulster's chances of world domination? :duck:
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Neil F wrote:Surely, this is exactly the kind of initiative that is needed to prevent our schools pumping out gym bunnies with no basic rugby skills and thus ruining Ulster's chances of world domination? :duck:
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Would be interesting to see the injury stats for soccer and even tag rugby, bound to be plenty of fecked knees and ankles in those.
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Rooster wrote:Would be interesting to see the injury stats for soccer and even tag rugby, bound to be plenty of fecked knees and ankles in those.
It's all about the head though, isn't it?

Some also calling for heading the ball to be banned in schools soccer.
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big mervyn wrote:
Rooster wrote:Would be interesting to see the injury stats for soccer and even tag rugby, bound to be plenty of fecked knees and ankles in those.
It's all about the head though, isn't it?

Some also calling for heading the ball to be banned in schools soccer.
The letter refers to all sorts of injuries, fractures, dislocations, head injuries everything.
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OneMore wrote:
big mervyn wrote:
Rooster wrote:Would be interesting to see the injury stats for soccer and even tag rugby, bound to be plenty of fecked knees and ankles in those.
It's all about the head though, isn't it?

Some also calling for heading the ball to be banned in schools soccer.
The letter refers to all sorts of injuries, fractures, dislocations, head injuries everything.
Does it?
Hard to get through childhood without some of those. First time my daughter played basketball, she bust her finger.
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I am not a doctor so there is no point in arguing with the facts contained in this report. The trouble with doctors however is that they think the world is full of sick people, because they are the only ones they see. As a sociologist however I see the benefits that it brings to young people. A sense of fair play, respect for authority, teamwork and mental and physical toughness. Personally I wish more young people would follow rugby and less followed football whose values are almost the exact opposite. Sure stop playing rugby at schools and the injuries will decrease, but if you had more young people playing rugby I believe it would have a positive influence on societal behaviours.
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Her book must not be selling well after the first time she brought this up which coincided with its first publishing, she is not even a medic to start with but a professor of public health research and policy :roll:
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Rooster wrote:Her book must not be selling well after the first time she brought this up which coincided with its first publishing, she is not even a medic to start with but a professor of public health research and policy :roll:
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I liked Brian Moore's response: "obesity will kill more children than rugby".
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I dont get the point of holding off tackling until players are older....

Surely it makes more sense to drill correct techniques into 6/7 year olds when they arent big or strong enough really to do any proper damage to each other, rather than having a bunch of bigger/stronger 16/17 year olds only learning how to do it and making it even more risky.
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