There are gaps in the knowledge of how many critters have evolved, but to say Evolution is theoretical seems a bit strange. Evolution is fact - it is happening all around us and for me undeniable. Yes, there are gaps in the evolutionary record, (indeed it can be like looking at a thousand piece jigsaw with 980 of the pieces missing - not easy to know what the picture is like, but some are always willing to say they know) but not gaps in the knowledge of how evolution progresses.Dave wrote: ↑Thu Nov 04, 2021 5:46 pmI am open to a supernatural God creating the universe. Just provide the evidence on how you're so convinced on a particular version. I'm not an atheistic, so this doesn't boil down to evolution versus Christianity. Evolutionary theory is theoretical, there many flaws and gaps in the knowledge. They can at least demonstrate how or why a particular explanation is theorised, because the scientific method demands experimentation or observation of such things.Snipe Watson wrote:
Acceptance that there is a Creator God requires an entirely different worldview that places God at the centre as a supernatural being who exists in a realm beyond space and time. Space and time being part of His creation.
You may view this as conveniently packaged fairy story which is fine. I don't expect a non-believer to see things as a believer does. Nor do I believe that I can convince you through the amazing logic of my argument.
Taking the atheistic view that we are just randomly evolved bundles of cells and chemicals, by definition requires that there is no God. That is the non-negotiable starting point. Therefore there is no mutually agreeable starting point for discussion. You pick which miracle you're going to hang your hat on. Either the supernatural miracle of creation by God or the supernatural miracle of everything from nothing. Willingness to at least consider the contrary position will create a platform for discussion, but standing firmly on a hill shouting at people on another hill is pointless.
You guys are saying not only, did (a particular) God create the universe but also you have relationship with this God. How do you logically explain this?
What I do think is a problem though is that people confuse creation with evolution. Before something evolves, it first has to be. It has to exist in a living state, and only then can it evolve and some critters have evolved a lot over the millennia, while others don't seem to have evolved much, or even at all once they have reached a certain stage of development.
The creation bit is the confusing thing though - one either believes in the miracle creation of life by a supreme being or the miracle of life out of nothing. One is no more or less miraculous than the other - but I don't blame the Nazis (or Godwin) for that.
And yes, at the time of writing, Godwin is still alive - the jury's still out though on whether Hitler is alive and well and living in Argentina (aged 140).
PS - I might be wrong!