Are we allowed to talk about KINGSPAN

[UlsterNo9]

And, in 2017, the year of the fire, Armorica (think that's the name), the company that made the flammable cladding for Grenfell, donated £25,000 to the Tory party.
Kingspan say their product was only 5% of the cladding, was sold by another company, was used without their knowledge and against their instructions for use. This is a straw man action by a corrupt GOVErnment and should be resisted to the end.

Arconic.

I thought there was something in legal legisaltion which prevented a member of government from making comment around a case? Surely its an attempt to influence outcome which would / could cause the collapse of any trial / inquiry .....

[Lurgan Lad]

I get that Kingspan have done wrong, and that it extends right to the top. I don't agree that the consequence of that should be that they are hounded out of sponsoring/supporting different teams and events. Haven't followed the case fully but I can't imagine all the directors were aware of all that was going on, and if those that have committed fraud are prosecuted to the full letter of the law and removed from the company if serious allegations are proven against them that to me should suffice.
Gove should be told where to go on this issue.

[Dave]

And, in 2017, the year of the fire, Armorica (think that's the name), the company that made the flammable cladding for Grenfell, donated £25,000 to the Tory party.
Kingspan say their product was only 5% of the cladding, was sold by another company, was used without their knowledge and against their instructions for use. This is a straw man action by a corrupt GOVErnment and should be resisted to the end.

Arconic.

I thought there was something in legal legisaltion which prevented a member of government from making comment around a case? Surely its an attempt to influence outcome which would / could cause the collapse of any trial / inquiry .....

What about a (then) future justice minister?

[jean valjean]

And, in 2017, the year of the fire, Armorica (think that's the name), the company that made the flammable cladding for Grenfell, donated £25,000 to the Tory party.
Kingspan say their product was only 5% of the cladding, was sold by another company, was used without their knowledge and against their instructions for use. This is a straw man action by a corrupt GOVErnment and should be resisted to the end.

Arconic.

I thought there was something in legal legisaltion which prevented a member of government from making comment around a case? Surely its an attempt to influence outcome which would / could cause the collapse of any trial / inquiry .....

There are sub judice rules which are designed to maintain a person's right to a fair trial, hence no comments allowed pre Court in the media etc on someone's perceived guilt. It probably doesn't extend to public enquiries where a sitting judge is not lileky to be influenced by the likes of gove.

[UlsterNo9]

And, in 2017, the year of the fire, Armorica (think that's the name), the company that made the flammable cladding for Grenfell, donated £25,000 to the Tory party.
Kingspan say their product was only 5% of the cladding, was sold by another company, was used without their knowledge and against their instructions for use. This is a straw man action by a corrupt GOVErnment and should be resisted to the end.

Arconic.

I thought there was something in legal legisaltion which prevented a member of government from making comment around a case? Surely its an attempt to influence outcome which would / could cause the collapse of any trial / inquiry .....

There are sub judice rules which are designed to maintain a person's right to a fair trial, hence no comments allowed pre Court in the media etc on someone's perceived guilt. It probably doesn't extend to public enquiries where a sitting judge is not lileky to be influenced by the likes of gove.

Of course, thanks JV, makes sense.

[Soda]

Wasn't Gove the utter arsehole who agreed the N.I. Protocol?

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[Sue Dename]

Big money contracts in any business sponsorship always have exit clauses with substantial penalties. Numpties like Gove and the other pontificators never consider the implications, its all about brownie points.
All of these agreements have greedy lawyers tying them down and making them water tight, then the Walter Mitty’s of the world scream jump ship, yeah right!

[Bobbievee]

" are sub judice rules which are designed to maintain a person's right to a fair trial, hence no comments allowed pre Court in the media etc on someone's perceived guilt. It probably doesn't extend to public enquiries where a sitting judge is not lileky to be influenced by the likes of gove"

Let's hope the sitting judge doesn't read on here! Careful guys!

[BaggyTrousers]

LOOK ............. let's get this clear:

• Michael Gove is a dedicated public servant.
  Ulster Rugby is known to be a highly moral body.
  Kingspan is a success story in Irish business

Additional information you may wish to consider:

Michael Gove is a fcuking liar, even his father confirmed it during the BRexit "debate" for his complete twisting of the truth about how his father had suffered in heinous fashion due to evil EU fishing carve-up. Of course we can admire him for his backstabbing of that bozo B Johnson and subsequent ar$e-about-face in becoming Johnson's favoured ar$eliquair. Many consider him to be a disgusting little worm of a lady's front bottom, I don't disagree with that.

The Ulster Branch of the FIRFU has shown clear abrogation of morals in carrying out the persecution of the innocent on the whim of sponsors (though intriguingly Kingspan to my knowledge remained neutral in the fate of Wee Paddy & Wee Stu). Much as I love Ulster Rugby I will never trust the Ulster Branch of the FIRFU to make a decision that is moral or make a moral decision to stand in the way of sponsor pressure, which is evidenced by the plight of the innocent whose careers were blighted by the faux morals of our disgraced former CEO SLogan, a man at least as morally bankrupt as the worm Gove.

Kingspan, and here my knowledge is less clear cut, I've enough to think about in my EU paradise, but I understand certain people have acted poorly, I also understand that they claim that their products were used without their consultation but may also have been less than honest about the properties of their products. Here I do accept J Petrie's assertion that the public inquiry needs to complete its business before Ulster does anything publicly.

Come decision time, what price the stadium is named as Bank of Ireland @ Ravenhill? Talk about moral conflict, let's face it, Bank of Ireland & Vodaphone (Goves on a large scale) sacked our boys with little or no objection from Ulster Branch of the FIRFU, nor of course the FIRFUCs in Mexico.

This is supposedly a time of year for hope and renewal, though as a pessimist, I remain confident that 2022 will meet all expectations by becoming the same shitshow as all other years in the Boring Twenties. Pip pip.

[BaggyTrousers]

As a footnote, given Kingspan's apparently small input into the tragedy at Grenfell, can someone confirm that Gove has lambasted all the UK based companies that killed 72 people, the Tory-run local authority or is his indignation only expressed against an Irish/EU company?

[Bobbievee]

Good to hear from you BT, and glad to see that Boggy Mouth has been fixed!

Yep, the Gove intervention is decidedly strange, especially in the middle of the Inquiry. And almost certainly not of his own volition. Who would have lobbied him to do this, and what would their motives be?

Any reason for withdrawing sponsorship from UR in the middle of what must be a financial crisis could only have detrimental effects on the overall UR financial position as they search for a new Sponsor........or is one already on the bench?

[solidarity]

Welcome back BT.
You're just the man to answer my question. We're getting our roof insulated next week and the roofer will be using K***s**n insulation. Does this make me a bad person?

[Dave]

Baggy, you are back!!! What a delicious Christmas gift. Stick around my man.

[BaggyTrousers]

Welcome back BT.
You're just the man to answer my question. We're getting our roof insulated next week and the roofer will be using K***s**n insulation. Does this make me a bad person?

No Solids, I know for a fact you aren't, I also know that you will have the morals to change your insulation should Kingspan be shown to be the charlatans that Gove the Worm portrays them as.

I still seek some corroboration that the Worm has lambasted all companies involved and seeks the ruination of the Toryscum on the local authority who failed the people of Grenfell, and as I understand it the many other tower blocks where the capacity for disaster remains.

How do these public servants sleep at night? I would posit that they do so on the back of being Toryscum who give not one feck about anything but what arrives in their ar$e pockets through enriching their friends, donors and the greedy hallions that have no problem how they fill their pockets, no matter the cost to others.

Looking from afar, I cannot remember a time - even the hated Thatcher's time - when I considered the UK more of a mess,run by liars and thieves (from the public purse) wide boys like Johnson, Gove, Frostie the noman and then those like J ReesB@stard a true Nanny's Boy who just blatantly believe the lower orders just don't matter.

Thank god I live in a socialist paradise, warts & all.

[BaggyTrousers]

Baggy, you are back!!! What a delicious Christmas gift. Stick around my man.

No promises my good man, I'm an exceptionally busy entrepreneur. if only I hadn't wasted my life in a bank I'd be relaxing spending my millions.