Are we allowed to talk about KINGSPAN

[rumncoke]

Baggy never did agree on all things basically because you have a habit of allowing your politics to obscure the full truth.

All are corrupt because ambition and power corrupt thus no political party or system is perfect .

Your "paradise" is not a product of politics but of location .

If socialism creates paradise why then do illegals head to Britain and not down sticks in "paradise"

Take your socialist blinkers off and I could agree with most of what you moan about . Happiness is a state of mind permitted by the contents of your pocket. " Income 6 pence expenditure 7-- misery income 6 expenditure 5 pence happiness" Charlie D

[BR]

As a footnote, given Kingspan's apparently small input into the tragedy at Grenfell, can someone confirm that Gove has lambasted all the UK based companies that killed 72 people, the Tory-run local authority or is his indignation only expressed against an Irish/EU company?

Which insulation manufacturers are from NW Surrey and/or are doners to the Conservative party?

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[rumncoke]

BR maybe true but is their advertising as high profile

Kingspan put their head too high above the water to miss .

And politicians play to the gallery with an easy target.

Gove knows full well that his written request will head to the nearest bin but not before the request has been revealed to the media to divert attention away from other matters

No such thing as bad news it gets divert to a page 4 footnote .

[solidarity]

And if you think things can't get any worse, looks like Liz Truss could well be in line for the leadership when Boris gets binned.

[BaggyTrousers]

Baggy never did agree on all things basically because you have a habit of allowing your politics to obscure the full truth.

Ron'n, of course, I use my political bias whenever it suits me, and frankly my good man, I shall continue to do so. Other people disapproving of that?Well, I can only say I really don't' give a single rat's fart.

A more mildly provoking psychological thought, Ron'n, can you wrap a definition of ''the full truth" in as few words as possible so I may better appreciate your point and understand how you envisage that being of any relevance in this world where the truth no longer appears to matter a single jot. I mean FFFS, as an example, your non-socialist PM, the biggest liar in recent history, even allowing for another expert dissembler, D Trump Esq.

Being a liar no longer is even thought of as heinous or even a character flaw, people flock to tell me that B Johnson is no worse than any other politician. These people, mainly Lionels, of course, attract my most withering glare for their childish stupidity.

[BaggyTrousers]

And if you think things can't get any worse, looks like Liz Truss could well be in line for the leadership when Boris gets binned.

Hobson's choice Solids if every I saw a classic example, that there thonder is yer biy. A liar or an idiot? Some choice

[big mervyn]

And if you think things can't get any worse, looks like Liz Truss could well be in line for the leadership when Boris gets binned.

Hobson's choice Solids if every I saw a classic example, that there thonder is yer biy. A liar or an idiot? Some choice

Rishi is still the favourite.

Liz isn't popular with grass roots Tories.

Best laugh I've had in ages was when I read that Priti Patel fancied her chances

[BaggyTrousers]

Patel is in her own way as horrible a woman as Thatcher. I have never hit a woman (haven't hit many men either in fairness) and never will, however, potentially Patel could join the other 3 ''ladies" on my fantasy ''hit' list.

[solidarity]

It's the vacuity of the front runners that frustrates me: Boris, Liz, etc. At least Thatcher (and even Blair!) had substance. (I know, I know, her subsance was not exactly what I and many others would have supported but at least there was something there). Vacuity in government allows all sorts of things to fill the vacuum, all of them bad! In my humble opinion, that's what always has been wrong with the American 'small government' idea.

[BaggyTrousers]

It's the vacuity of the front runners that frustrates me: Boris, Liz, etc. At least Thatcher (and even Blair!) had substance. (I know, I know, her subsance was not exactly what I and many others would have supported but at least there was something there). Vacuity in government allows all sorts of things to fill the vacuum, all of them bad! In my humble opinion, that's what always has been wrong with the American 'small government' idea.

Yeah, the scary thing is that many of them make Pootsie and his pal the 1st Minister (who hates Irish language projects so much he's happy toreveal himself to be a bigot) look modestly competent.

For the sake of Ron'n and political non-bias, I am appalled today that the already much-discredited honours system is now a laughing stock as a war criminal becomes Sir Blair. I have it on good authority that when Blair is made Lord Blair, he has a liking for Lord Nuremberg or at the very least is willing to give it a trial run.

[Armchair Expert]

I do love when our elected representatives take part in a bit of gesture politics on a subject they know nothing about.

KS may or may not have a case to answer, the inquiry will determine that. From the way it is panning out I think the results from the inquiry will be a shotgun approach. Everyone within range will get a bit of buckshot but unlikely to be fatal due to distance.

People who have already had a peppering during the inquiry so far include;

The Fire Risk Assessor – was able to make recommendations for remedial actions on elements the building never had. As good of a case of a copy/paste report as there ever has been. The same glaring mistakes appeared in the report over a number of years.

The guidance documents – Approved Doc B was interpreted by 2 experts on consecutive days in 2 different ways, as it is a document provided to explain the building regulations, the government had to issue a clarification that the interpretation that would prevent them taking any of the blame was the correct one… Debatable.

The London Fire Brigade – There were a number of policies and procedures that were bypassed by the LFB on the night of the fire. Decisions to bypass the policies were taken by the boots on the ground as they saw fit. The decisions potentially saved lives as the speed of the fire spread was more than the control centre was able to keep up with. Criticism of poor planning, control and oversight of the fire is probably justified. Blaming the folks who arrive at a stable with no doors for the lack of horses isn’t justified.

The London Borough Of Kensington and Chelsea – Spent their money on the wrong thing, it was an ugly great tower block in line of sight of some lovely multi million £ properties. It looks like the best thing to do is tart up the outside so it doesn’t lower the value of the surroundings. On top of that, value engineering to get the ‘best price’ seriously undermined the suitability of the materials used and the quality of the installation. Alternative products that cost approx. 20% more would have likely prevented the surface spread of flame around the outside of the building.

I suspect there will be some people do time for their part in the whole disaster but it will be the small fry. The big failure is decades of government underfunding of regulatory bodies, social housing, the fire and rescue service and the acceptance of self-regulation within the building industry.

So the fact that corporate bods in KS were soiling their breeches in excitement that they had loopholed a regulation is more a testament to the holey regulation than those looking to make a profit. Gove is trying his best to deflect from that. He is throwing stones at the high profile Mercedes and (slightly lower profile) UR to create a ripple away from the fustercluck that is the #buildingsafetycrisis.

[WestDr]

Seems pretty accurate to me, Armchair Expert.... to put it in quasi-mathematical terms:

Lewis Hamilton's money, influence and contract (MI&C) > Mercedes MI&C > Kingspan MI&C > Ulster Rugby.

I'd be amazed if UR could afford to breach their sponsorship contract with Kingspan. And I doubt that IRFU would come to the rescue with £££s/€€€s for what must be a UR negotiated sponsorship contract....

Weak and cowardly politicians always take aim at those they think are in a weaker position than themselves. cf Marcus Rashford and what the Conservative Government originally thought.....

[jean valjean]

When is the enquiry due to end? The shirt deal ends 2023 and the naming rights are up in 2024. I can see them perhaps staying as minor sponsor but not key one (openreach perhaps?) No matter what I can't see the stadium name being retained, just too much baggage now.

[Sue Dename]

I'd be amazed if UR could afford to breach their sponsorship contract with Kingspan. And I doubt that IRFU would come to the rescue with £££s/€€€s for what must be a UR negotiated sponsorship contract....

Spot on WestDr
UR would be most likely in administration if the contract was breached.

With the debts incurred by the IRFU during Covid, bail outs are a thing of the past.

[rumncoke]

Armchair expert -- I refer you to my post of the 7th Dec ( page 5 )

The only people who end up with a smile on their face are the legal profession

two farmers and a cow -- one pulling at its head -- one pulling at its tail ----and the two barristers sitting either side milking it