Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

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rumncoke wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 9:40 am The referee forgot the first rule of questioning a TMO

Keep it simple Stupid better known as KISS to the masses


When touch by white was the ball touching the ground ( yes or no )--- Yes

Was white the first to touch the ball after being dropped ( yes or No )--- Yes

When dropped by white did the ball go forward -- ( yes or No ) -- no

The question is not did White drop the ball -- the question is did the ball go forward and only forward before being touched

The referee got into Who knock the ball discussion --- totally totally unnecessary --ONLY if the answer to the last question is yes does Why and Who becomes important .

The rule is ask questions which provide unambiguous answers yes or no

Was the player in touch --Yes or No Was the pass forward Yes or No Was the player held by the neck or hit in the neck or head --Yes or No Penalty start RED and work down

Was the Tackler hit on the head by anything other than the ball carriers hand ( yes or No )- start RED and work down

Simple simple simple otherwise your going to look and be judged --stupid
Not the way the TMO protocol works though Rum.. Once given an on field decision, the TMO can address anything that could alter that
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The TMO can identify the matter to be reviewed but thereafter the decision must be made by the referee ASSISTED by TMO

The referee is the person who must decide and that being the case the referee should ask the questions --
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If the ref cant see the detail he has to trust the tmo.
The TMO is incompetent at best
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BR wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:14 am If the ref cant see the detail he has to trust the tmo.
The TMO is incompetent at best
I’m not convinced that incompetence alone could bring the TMO to that conclusion. I fear it was more malignant that that.
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George Clowncy would have been more than capable of coming to the same conclusion as the TMO yesterday.

The overall standard of reffing needs improved.
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A further concern is whether this is an isolated incident or will all NH teams face the same issue if they are about to beat a SA team on SA soil.
I wouldn’t be surprised.
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tis incident was undoubtedly cheating/lying by the TMO. Reid has the ball and the Stormer hits the ball soo it dislodges forwards from him - a knock-on, deliberately so. But the TMO said to the ref that the Stormer dislodged the ball by hitting Reid's arm - therefore a knock-on by Reid - therefore a Stormers scrum.
So the TMO lied to the referee and it can only have been a deliberate lie.
As said before, it was an act of foul play preventing a certain try - whether accidental or not.
Therefore the correct decision was for a penalty try.
No other rationale is valid.
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When reid dropped the ball did it go forward NO

Why and Who doesn't matter

Only if the ball had gone forward do the questions of why and who become relevant
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rumncoke wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 7:21 pm When reid dropped the ball did it go forward
Yes. Off Blue.
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rocky wrote: Sun Mar 27, 2022 3:12 pm tis incident was undoubtedly cheating/lying by the TMO. Reid has the ball and the Stormer hits the ball soo it dislodges forwards from him - a knock-on, deliberately so. But the TMO said to the ref that the Stormer dislodged the ball by hitting Reid's arm - therefore a knock-on by Reid - therefore a Stormers scrum.
So the TMO lied to the referee and it can only have been a deliberate lie.
As said before, it was an act of foul play preventing a certain try - whether accidental or not.
Therefore the correct decision was for a penalty try.
No other rationale is valid.
No need for a PT (despite the obvious advantage of the automatic goal and YC). Contrary to what the TMO declared on more than one occasion, the ball was clearly grounded on the line.
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As a someone who's just a fan and not well versed in the rules it looked quite. Simple. The reason Reid "dropped" the ball if you really want to call it was because a stormer knocked it out of his hand. Also the ball never went forward in the process. Therefore clearly a try, eventually penalty try...never a scrum to the stormers
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The result should be respected unless it effects the position of either side in play offs

ie if Ulster had won would they qualify to play at home

If Stroomers had lost would they have failed to qualify for the play offs

If the positions in the league table are not affected than a review of the result is unnecessary
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Interesting to see the head of match officials talk through what happens behind the scenes after calls like this https://supersport.com/rugby/united-rug ... Rmav504h2E
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rumncoke wrote: Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:45 pm The result should be respected unless it effects the position of either side in play offs

ie if Ulster had won would they qualify to play at home

If Stroomers had lost would they have failed to qualify for the play offs

If the positions in the league table are not affected than a review of the result is unnecessary
So you want to review mistakes in any game you think the result was of significance? How the absolute feck would that work? Referee's decision is final.
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