Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Talk about the men in white, and everything Ulster!!

Moderator: Moderators

StandUp
Warrior Chief
Posts: 1765
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by StandUp »

Positives:

Luke’s return.
A new fire lit under Tredders (one daft kick aside).
Team regrouped after shipping two tries.
Front row handled Springbok front row in scrum. Reid and Stewart looked useful again.
Jones went off early.
Cooney gets useful minutes.
Team managed heat quite well. Weren’t blowing out their hoops.

Negatives:

Inaccuracy in attack.
Slow to rucks.
Lack of penetration.
Poor decisions at lineouts meant mauls were driven to touchline and negated.
Weak as water ref.
Cheating b@stard TMO.
justinr73
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 5677
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:14 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by justinr73 »

14 all in Galway after 2 mins 23 seconds.

Men not points.
User avatar
UlsterNo9
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 5708
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:02 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by UlsterNo9 »

justinr73 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 8:43 pm 14 all in Galway after 2 mins 23 seconds.

Men not points.
Rotten as this is a big potential bananna skin for Leinster. Referee got both decisions right for me.
BRING OUR BOYS HOME #BOBH
THROWN UNDER THE BUS AND EXILED 14/04/18
User avatar
BR
Rí­ na Cúige Uladh
Posts: 18579
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 am
Location: On a roll.

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by BR »

What do refs think 'not held in tackle' means?
Can I come out from behind the sofa yet?
www.stoutboys.co.uk
User avatar
UlsterNo9
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 5708
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:02 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by UlsterNo9 »

BR wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:11 pm What do refs think 'not held in tackle' means?
By saying "refs" you imply that they all understand the same meaning.




The West is alive..... should have been a try and a yellow card, three penalties in same phase of play on their own line by Leinster.
BRING OUR BOYS HOME #BOBH
THROWN UNDER THE BUS AND EXILED 14/04/18
User avatar
BR
Rí­ na Cúige Uladh
Posts: 18579
Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 am
Location: On a roll.

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by BR »

UlsterNo9 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:30 pm
BR wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:11 pm What do refs think 'not held in tackle' means?
By saying "refs" you imply that they all understand the same meaning.
Busby there. But they've all been very generous to the ball carrier in recent years. Tackler gets pinged for not releasing if he doesn't release instantly, only for the BC to get up and run off.
The West is alive..... should have been a try and a yellow card, three penalties in same phase of play on their own line by Leinster.
There were at least 4 penalty advantages leading to that Connacht try
Can I come out from behind the sofa yet?
www.stoutboys.co.uk
justinr73
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 5677
Joined: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:14 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by justinr73 »

skiboo wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:29 pm For me the ref bottled the decision at the end and the south africian TMO was determined not to change his original decision.

At the least it shold have been an Ulster put in or a penalty for a knock on in the tackle however the Ulster player was not tackled but the ball knocked on should it have been a penalty try.
Laws have changesd a lot over the years is the following still applicable.
"Knocking with intention - if a player deliberately knocks or throws the ball forward, a penalty is awarded to the opposite team. If the referee feels a try could have taken place if the ball had not been intentionally knocked, a penalty try is awarded."
The laws state that it isn’t a knock on and play continues if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
User avatar
UlsterNo9
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 5708
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:02 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by UlsterNo9 »

BR wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:38 pm
There were at least 4 penalty advantages leading to that Connacht try
It seems the act of scoring a try negates the cynical fouling in tese situations. Why?

Is that another ref issue?
BRING OUR BOYS HOME #BOBH
THROWN UNDER THE BUS AND EXILED 14/04/18
HighlandRed
Novice
Posts: 125
Joined: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:38 am

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by HighlandRed »

Just watched it on catch up.

WTF at the end. How the hell is that a blue scrum!
User avatar
HammerTime
Warrior Assassin
Posts: 1269
Joined: Thu Jun 24, 2010 9:02 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by HammerTime »

Gilroy is done. He’s been a good servant but it’s time to invest in the likes of Sexton before it’s too late. Why is Balacoune not on this trip we’re going to need him v Toulouse?
User avatar
UlsterNo9
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 5708
Joined: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:02 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by UlsterNo9 »

McCann?
BRING OUR BOYS HOME #BOBH
THROWN UNDER THE BUS AND EXILED 14/04/18
StandUp
Warrior Chief
Posts: 1765
Joined: Sat May 02, 2015 9:33 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by StandUp »

justinr73 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:45 pm
skiboo wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:29 pm For me the ref bottled the decision at the end and the south africian TMO was determined not to change his original decision.

At the least it shold have been an Ulster put in or a penalty for a knock on in the tackle however the Ulster player was not tackled but the ball knocked on should it have been a penalty try.
Laws have changesd a lot over the years is the following still applicable.
"Knocking with intention - if a player deliberately knocks or throws the ball forward, a penalty is awarded to the opposite team. If the referee feels a try could have taken place if the ball had not been intentionally knocked, a penalty try is awarded."
The laws state that it isn’t a knock on and play continues if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
So then it was play on and Reid touched the ball down. Try.
Bobbievee
Warrior
Posts: 1143
Joined: Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:36 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by Bobbievee »

StandUp wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:00 pm
justinr73 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:45 pm
skiboo wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:29 pm For me the ref bottled the decision at the end and the south africian TMO was determined not to change his original decision.

At the least it shold have been an Ulster put in or a penalty for a knock on in the tackle however the Ulster player was not tackled but the ball knocked on should it have been a penalty try.
Laws have changesd a lot over the years is the following still applicable.
"Knocking with intention - if a player deliberately knocks or throws the ball forward, a penalty is awarded to the opposite team. If the referee feels a try could have taken place if the ball had not been intentionally knocked, a penalty try is awarded."
The laws state that it isn’t a knock on and play continues if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
So then it was play on and Reid touched the ball down. Try.
Worst home town decision I have seen for many years
TMO deliberately avoiding the truthful outcome by talking the inexperienced and weak ref around in circles. At a minimum a play on, a knock on in the tackle and an Ulster scrum, OR a deliberate knock on and a penalty try. Not exactly complicated.
I thought when O Connor persuaded the ref to have a sixth look we were in with a shout.......But the TMO was more than ready for him!
TMO should be cited and banned
Cheating b****rd.
User avatar
Cap'n Grumpy
Rí­ na Cúige Uladh
Posts: 15647
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:21 pm
Location: second barrier up, at the half-way line ... or is the third?

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by Cap'n Grumpy »

justinr73 wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 9:45 pm
skiboo wrote: Sat Mar 26, 2022 5:29 pm For me the ref bottled the decision at the end and the south africian TMO was determined not to change his original decision.

At the least it shold have been an Ulster put in or a penalty for a knock on in the tackle however the Ulster player was not tackled but the ball knocked on should it have been a penalty try.
Laws have changesd a lot over the years is the following still applicable.
"Knocking with intention - if a player deliberately knocks or throws the ball forward, a penalty is awarded to the opposite team. If the referee feels a try could have taken place if the ball had not been intentionally knocked, a penalty try is awarded."
The laws state that it isn’t a knock on and play continues if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
I think most, if not all of us, know that, but that's not what happened here. The ball went backwards from the opponent's arms, ie backwards from Reidy, forwards off the hand of the player (allegedly) trying to rip or dislodge the ball from Riedy's arms.
That is at least a knock on by the defender, - play advantage, Reidy scores,
OR
penalise the defender for deliberate knock-on - play advantage Reidy scores
OR
penalise the defender for deliberate knock-on - stop play immediately, penalise defender - award penalty try for Ulster.

It's not dificult.

No way to arrive at the scrum for Stormers except by saying it was a knock-on by Reidy, but a blind man on a galloping horse, in a dark night could see that didn't happen. Indeed ref seemed to see that didn't happen as he initially awarded the try, but allowed himself to be persuaded otherwise by homer TMO.
I'm not arguing -
I'm just explaining why I'm right
rumncoke
Lord Chancellor
Posts: 7872
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:39 pm

Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)

Post by rumncoke »

The referee forgot the first rule of questioning a TMO

Keep it simple Stupid better known as KISS to the masses


When touch by white was the ball touching the ground ( yes or no )--- Yes

Was white the first to touch the ball after being dropped ( yes or No )--- Yes

When dropped by white did the ball go forward -- ( yes or No ) -- no

The question is not did White drop the ball -- the question is did the ball go forward and only forward before being touched

The referee got into Who knock the ball discussion --- totally totally unnecessary --ONLY if the answer to the last question is yes does Why and Who becomes important .

The rule is ask questions which provide unambiguous answers yes or no

Was the player in touch --Yes or No Was the pass forward Yes or No Was the player held by the neck or hit in the neck or head --Yes or No Penalty start RED and work down

Was the Tackler hit on the head by anything other than the ball carriers hand ( yes or No )- start RED and work down

Simple simple simple otherwise your going to look and be judged --stupid
Within this carapace of skepticism there lives an optimist
Post Reply