Things have definitely improved a lot since the inception of TMOs and it's not impossible, but some of these matches take place in near 3rd world locations. I believe Munster played in Cork at the weekend FFS.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:13 pmIs it?BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:05 pmThe availability of high quality footage from multiple angles is best served at the location.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:10 pm Is there any reason why the TMO needs to be on site? Surely if this isn't necessary it helps to have TMOs that aren't based in the country they are officiating on.
From personal experience I would suggest that high resolution imagery used in medicine for diagnosis etc, and which can be available to medical professionals in multiple countries, for discussion and examination simultaneously in real time would suggest that might not necessarily be the case.
Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
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Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
In my scenario the twine/rope/cord used is irrelevant - I had assumed two fishing hooks (barbed of course) would be used to attach to the hanging twine/rope/cord or whatever...BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:14 pmWith the lack of mitigation and previous poor record, is there a case to go more severe than medium.level baler twine?Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:08 pmI suggest that bilateral orchiectomy is a tad extreme even for thon gross incompetence/misconduct.
I suggest that he be permitted to keep both testicles, but just be strung up by them at the afore mentioned site.
I'm a reasonable and forgiving sort, me.
If others consider lack of mitigation requires a bit more, weights may be be attached to increase forces acting on the hooks.
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Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
and I for one respect your beliefs.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:18 pmThings have definitely improved a lot since the inception of TMOs and it's not impossible, but some of these matches take place in near 3rd world locations. I believe Munster played in Cork at the weekend FFS.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:13 pmIs it?BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:05 pmThe availability of high quality footage from multiple angles is best served at the location.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:10 pm Is there any reason why the TMO needs to be on site? Surely if this isn't necessary it helps to have TMOs that aren't based in the country they are officiating on.
From personal experience I would suggest that high resolution imagery used in medicine for diagnosis etc, and which can be available to medical professionals in multiple countries, for discussion and examination simultaneously in real time would suggest that might not necessarily be the case.
Anyone know when the result from that match in Cork will be known?
I'm not arguing -
I'm just explaining why I'm right
I'm just explaining why I'm right
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
They were to send a pigeon to D4, but the bird discovered that the human population of Cork all talk like pigeons and he now has his own chat show on local radio.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:27 pmand I for one respect your beliefs.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:18 pmThings have definitely improved a lot since the inception of TMOs and it's not impossible, but some of these matches take place in near 3rd world locations. I believe Munster played in Cork at the weekend FFS.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:13 pmIs it?BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:05 pmThe availability of high quality footage from multiple angles is best served at the location.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:10 pm Is there any reason why the TMO needs to be on site? Surely if this isn't necessary it helps to have TMOs that aren't based in the country they are officiating on.
From personal experience I would suggest that high resolution imagery used in medicine for diagnosis etc, and which can be available to medical professionals in multiple countries, for discussion and examination simultaneously in real time would suggest that might not necessarily be the case.
Anyone know when the result from that match in Cork will be known?
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Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
Let's look on the brightside. If there are any 50/50 calls made in the bulls game it will be a brave TMO to go against ulster. I only hope we are in the game enough to make them count.
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Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
I like the idea of a dedicated review team like what is used in nfl. It could be a home for older refs who's legs have gone but have the experience to make the big calls.Cap'n Grumpy wrote:Is it?BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:05 pmThe availability of high quality footage from multiple angles is best served at the location.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:10 pm Is there any reason why the TMO needs to be on site? Surely if this isn't necessary it helps to have TMOs that aren't based in the country they are officiating on.
From personal experience I would suggest that high resolution imagery used in medicine for diagnosis etc, and which can be available to medical professionals in multiple countries, for discussion and examination simultaneously in real time would suggest that might not necessarily be the case.
Hi resolution teleconferencing should not be that difficult.
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Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
In the NFL they are heading more towards a centralised office to help the referees, but to be fair their games are all in great stadia, mostly in America and they can spend whatever money they need to get all the angles they need.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:05 pmThe availability of high quality footage from multiple angles is best served at the location.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:10 pm Is there any reason why the TMO needs to be on site? Surely if this isn't necessary it helps to have TMOs that aren't based in the country they are officiating on.
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
BR
The only reason to review the result is if the result has a financial impact
The timing of the the TMO\s interference is no reason to review the result
The fact is that his interference changed the decision of the referee and the change of decision of the referee was based misinformation are the two factors that effected the result
The only reason to review the result is if the result has a financial impact
The timing of the the TMO\s interference is no reason to review the result
The fact is that his interference changed the decision of the referee and the change of decision of the referee was based misinformation are the two factors that effected the result
Within this carapace of skepticism there lives an optimist
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
It’s not a mistake though. The TMO deliberately tried not to answer the ref’s questions and gave a different version of events.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:50 pmRefs (TMOs/TJs) get things wrong every week. Not always in the last few minutes of a match, but a mistake in the 1st 5' could be just as costly.rumncoke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:38 pm The result on saturday is unique seldom does a TMOs interference affect a decision which could have the potential financial impact similar to that which occur on saturday,
The fact is the referee had awarded the try and the decision was reversed by the interference and misdirection of the TMO
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
That’s the spirit.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:18 pmThings have definitely improved a lot since the inception of TMOs and it's not impossible, but some of these matches take place in near 3rd world locations. I believe Munster played in Cork at the weekend FFS.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:13 pmIs it?BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:05 pmThe availability of high quality footage from multiple angles is best served at the location.Lurgan Lad wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:10 pm Is there any reason why the TMO needs to be on site? Surely if this isn't necessary it helps to have TMOs that aren't based in the country they are officiating on.
From personal experience I would suggest that high resolution imagery used in medicine for diagnosis etc, and which can be available to medical professionals in multiple countries, for discussion and examination simultaneously in real time would suggest that might not necessarily be the case.
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
One of the indigenous population intercepted said pigeon for Sunday dinner.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:35 pmThey were to send a pigeon to D4, but the bird discovered that the human population of Cork all talk like pigeons and he now has his own chat show on local radio.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:27 pmand I for one respect your beliefs.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:18 pmThings have definitely improved a lot since the inception of TMOs and it's not impossible, but some of these matches take place in near 3rd world locations. I believe Munster played in Cork at the weekend FFS.Cap'n Grumpy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:13 pmIs it?
From personal experience I would suggest that high resolution imagery used in medicine for diagnosis etc, and which can be available to medical professionals in multiple countries, for discussion and examination simultaneously in real time would suggest that might not necessarily be the case.
Anyone know when the result from that match in Cork will be known?
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
Yep. The strangler will be ready to kill dead things.jean valjean wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:36 pm Let's look on the brightside. If there are any 50/50 calls made in the bulls game it will be a brave TMO to go against ulster. I only hope we are in the game enough to make them count.
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
The ref made the the mistake of trusting the TMOStandUp wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:09 pmIt’s not a mistake though. The TMO deliberately tried not to answer the ref’s questions and gave a different version of events.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:50 pmRefs (TMOs/TJs) get things wrong every week. Not always in the last few minutes of a match, but a mistake in the 1st 5' could be just as costly.rumncoke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:38 pm The result on saturday is unique seldom does a TMOs interference affect a decision which could have the potential financial impact similar to that which occur on saturday,
The fact is the referee had awarded the try and the decision was reversed by the interference and misdirection of the TMO
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
I have only just watched the game. Wow. Shocking reffing. The tmo appears to be a liar. Robbed.
I have my own tv channel, what have you got?
Re: Stormers v Ulster Saturday March 26 1pm (UK Time) Super Sport (SA) / Premier Sports 1 / URC TV (Not in UK/SA)
That’s not a mistake either. That’s his job. The images on the stadium aren’t as easy to see as the various monitors available to the TMO therefore a referee is expected to trust his TMO.BR wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:51 pmThe ref made the the mistake of trusting the TMOStandUp wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:09 pmIt’s not a mistake though. The TMO deliberately tried not to answer the ref’s questions and gave a different version of events.BR wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:50 pmRefs (TMOs/TJs) get things wrong every week. Not always in the last few minutes of a match, but a mistake in the 1st 5' could be just as costly.rumncoke wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:38 pm The result on saturday is unique seldom does a TMOs interference affect a decision which could have the potential financial impact similar to that which occur on saturday,
The fact is the referee had awarded the try and the decision was reversed by the interference and misdirection of the TMO
The ref was weak as diarrhoea but the TMO was a cheating c¥nt who has now been publicly rebuked by the URC head of referees.