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kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:52 pm

StandUp wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:48 pm

richardt84 wrote:Some more context on performances during the last 20 minutes on this thread on Twitter…

https://twitter.com/samlstandsup/status ... CVwWr5rDZQ

1. Bench not trusted
2. Bench not being used because they aren’t good enough and starting 15 knackered leading to tries.
3. Bench comes on and tries conceded.
4. We defend leads?

Surely this is bad coaching/management.
If the bench isn’t good enough or trusted then why are they on the payroll? Get them out the door and give the academy lads a run. It’ll be the same result anyway. No point people getting a decent wage if they aren’t earning it.
Something needs to change or the same sh1te will happen again and again.

I have to disagree .

Absentees through injury and returning from injury- McGrath,Moore, Roberts, Stewart, Izzy, Jordi, Addison, stockdale, Marshall, Lowry, Gilroy, Lyttle. Not even mentioning our NIQ Carter or what has happened with Reidy.

Yesterday we had this Bench
John Andrew(average)Eric O’Sullivan (average) Gareth Milasinovich (poor), Kieran Treadwell(penalty machine in close games), Matty Rea, (laughable) Nathan Doak(should of been on) Ian Madigan(best days well well behind him), Ben Moxham (will end up in Jersey or Ealing)

If there were no injuries our bench would be very different.
TOT, Stewart ,Warwick, Treadwell(Carter,Izzy),Jordi (Reidy), Doak,Lowry (Marshall), Stockdale (Addison/McIlroy,Gilroy)

Team for next year

1. AW EOS CR
2. RH TS JA DM
3. MM JTA TOT GM
45. IH AOC KT CI SC
678. NT MR MR DV DMC JM GJ SR
9. JC ND DS
10. BB IM JF
12/13 SMC JH LM SM JP AC
11/14 BM CG RB RL EMC JS
15 ML WA

If we can sign SK and a quality 2nd row after WC then Ulster are not far away.


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StandUp wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:52 pm

StandUp wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:48 pm

richardt84 wrote:Some more context on performances during the last 20 minutes on this thread on Twitter…

https://twitter.com/samlstandsup/status ... CVwWr5rDZQ

1. Bench not trusted
2. Bench not being used because they aren’t good enough and starting 15 knackered leading to tries.
3. Bench comes on and tries conceded.
4. We defend leads?

Surely this is bad coaching/management.
If the bench isn’t good enough or trusted then why are they on the payroll? Get them out the door and give the academy lads a run. It’ll be the same result anyway. No point people getting a decent wage if they aren’t earning it.
Something needs to change or the same sh1te will happen again and again.

I have to disagree .

Absentees through injury and returning from injury- McGrath,Moore, Roberts, Stewart, Izzy, Jordi, Addison, stockdale, Marshall, Lowry, Gilroy, Lyttle. Not even mentioning our NIQ Carter or what has happened with Reidy.

Yesterday we had this Bench
John Andrew(average)Eric O’Sullivan (average) Gareth Milasinovich (poor), Kieran Treadwell(penalty machine in close games), Matty Rea, (laughable) Nathan Doak(should of been on) Ian Madigan(best days well well behind him), Ben Moxham (will end up in Jersey or Ealing)

If there were no injuries our bench would be very different.
TOT, Stewart ,Warwick, Treadwell(Carter,Izzy),Jordi (Reidy), Doak,Lowry (Marshall), Stockdale (Addison/McIlroy,Gilroy)

Team for next year

1. AW EOS CR
2. RH TS JA DM
3. MM JTA TOT GM
45. IH AOC KT CI SC
678. NT MR MR DV DMC JM GJ SR
9. JC ND DS
10. BB IM JF
12/13 SMC JH LM SM JP AC
11/14 BM CG RB RL EMC JS
15 ML WA

If we can sign SK and a quality 2nd row after WC then Ulster are not far away.


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I get your point but if we have a similar level of injuries next year or the year after, which is entirely possible, then we are in the same situation.
I don’t understand the reasoning for keeping people on the payroll who clearly shouldn’t be there. Give some of the young lads some experience. How Matty Rea is on the bench in front of McCann is unfathomable. Why was Burns limping around for 20 or 30 minutes instead of bringing Mads on?
We have seen numerous poor decisions over the last few years re. replacements and no sign of this problem being addressed.
We desperately need a LH like SK and another 2nd row as you say, but we should be making a point of clearing out dead wood and sending a message that passengers will not be tolerated.

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:52 pm

StandUp wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:48 pm

richardt84 wrote:Some more context on performances during the last 20 minutes on this thread on Twitter…

https://twitter.com/samlstandsup/status ... CVwWr5rDZQ

1. Bench not trusted
2. Bench not being used because they aren’t good enough and starting 15 knackered leading to tries.
3. Bench comes on and tries conceded.
4. We defend leads?

Surely this is bad coaching/management.
If the bench isn’t good enough or trusted then why are they on the payroll? Get them out the door and give the academy lads a run. It’ll be the same result anyway. No point people getting a decent wage if they aren’t earning it.
Something needs to change or the same sh1te will happen again and again.

I have to disagree .

Absentees through injury and returning from injury- McGrath,Moore, Roberts, Stewart, Izzy, Jordi, Addison, stockdale, Marshall, Lowry, Gilroy, Lyttle. Not even mentioning our NIQ Carter or what has happened with Reidy.

Yesterday we had this Bench
John Andrew(average)Eric O’Sullivan (average) Gareth Milasinovich (poor), Kieran Treadwell(penalty machine in close games), Matty Rea, (laughable) Nathan Doak(should of been on) Ian Madigan(best days well well behind him), Ben Moxham (will end up in Jersey or Ealing)

If there were no injuries our bench would be very different.
TOT, Stewart ,Warwick, Treadwell(Carter,Izzy),Jordi (Reidy), Doak,Lowry (Marshall), Stockdale (Addison/McIlroy,Gilroy)

Team for next year

1. AW EOS CR
2. RH TS JA DM
3. MM JTA TOT GM
45. IH AOC KT CI SC
678. NT MR MR DV DMC JM GJ SR
9. JC ND DS
10. BB IM JF
12/13 SMC JH LM SM JP AC
11/14 BM CG RB RL EMC JS
15 ML WA

If we can sign SK and a quality 2nd row after WC then Ulster are not far away.


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UlsterNo9 wrote:I'd of given Mick Kearney a contract ahead of Sam Carter and I'm not winding.
To say Eric O'Sullivan is average is unfair, he was in the Pro14 Dream Team 20/21 and made his Ireland debut that season, there's a good player there, just needs to find his form again.

General consensus is our starting 15 is good enough, if that's the case then Murphy and Dooley both joining Connacht are a miss because they'd definately make our matchday 23 or Jack Dunne joining Exeter. JJ Hanrahan joining Dragons is a step up from an aging Madigan.

It'll be interesting to see how big an impact Reffell, Bradshaw-Ryan or Toomaga-Allen can make to our pack. With Tom Stewart, Callum Reid, Cormac Izuchukwu and Dave McCann to step up from the exisiting emerging contingent. You've the guts of an entire pack there.

StandUp wrote:I agree re. Kearney.
As for the squad in general, we need someone who can instill a killer instinct without becoming headless chickens.
As for the last 20 min capitulations, it needs to be determined whether it’s:
1. A stamina issue- if so the S+C team need a boot in the hole.
2. A tactics issue - are they burning themselves out in the first 50-60 mins?
3. Is this a squad of mental midgets - Do they need more time with sports psychologists?
4. The replacements or lack thereof.
5. All of the above and perhaps more I’ve missed.
This has been going on for far too long and every year we say next season will be better and then we get similar outcomes.
Petrie should commission a root and branch (no pun intended) review of the organisation to identify processes and personnel that are weak and a plan of improvement implemented. Otherwise, this time next year we will be saying that was a reasonable season and Ulster were very plucky etc. etc. and next year when we get Kitshoff and whoever, things will be better.

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:05 pm

UlsterNo9 wrote:I'd of given Mick Kearney a contract ahead of Sam Carter and I'm not winding.
To say Eric O'Sullivan is average is unfair, he was in the Pro14 Dream Team 20/21 and made his Ireland debut that season, there's a good player there, just needs to find his form again.

General consensus is our starting 15 is good enough, if that's the case then Murphy and Dooley both joining Connacht are a miss because they'd definately make our matchday 23 or Jack Dunne joining Exeter. JJ Hanrahan joining Dragons is a step up from an aging Madigan.

It'll be interesting to see how big an impact Reffell, Bradshaw-Ryan or Toomaga-Allen can make to our pack. With Tom Stewart, Callum Reid, Cormac Izuchukwu and Dave McCann to step up from the exisiting emerging contingent. You've the guts of an entire pack there.

Ross Bryne made URC team of the year . So bad that every single one of the provinces weren’t interested in him coming to them. Leinster gave him a cut price contract.

EOS is an average URC loosehead IMO. If Ulster have plans of winning the URC or H cup then pretty much the whole tight 5(bar Hendy) needs improving/strengthened.


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kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:21 pm

StandUp wrote:I agree re. Kearney.
As for the squad in general, we need someone who can instill a killer instinct without becoming headless chickens.
As for the last 20 min capitulations, it needs to be determined whether it’s:
1. A stamina issue- if so the S+C team need a boot in the hole.
2. A tactics issue - are they burning themselves out in the first 50-60 mins?
3. Is this a squad of mental midgets - Do they need more time with sports psychologists?
4. The replacements or lack thereof.
5. All of the above and perhaps more I’ve missed.
This has been going on for far too long and every year we say next season will be better and then we get similar outcomes.
Petrie should commission a root and branch (no pun intended) review of the organisation to identify processes and personnel that are weak and a plan of improvement implemented. Otherwise, this time next year we will be saying that was a reasonable season and Ulster were very plucky etc. etc. and next year when we get Kitshoff and whoever, things will be better.

Petrie might not like what a review has to say.


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At the minute, I agree re. EOS. His rise to his current level was very fast, which gave us all hope he was going to be a cracker, then he reached his ceiling and stalled. I don’t envisage much improvement from here but will be happy to be proved wrong.

launish116 wrote:

At the minute, I agree re. EOS. His rise to his current level was very fast, which gave us all hope he was going to be a cracker, then he reached his ceiling and stalled. I don’t envisage much improvement from here but will be happy to be proved wrong.

You have watched the rise of Warwick this season? he hit his ceiling a season or so ago and look where he is now?

EOS will turn a corner again

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:52 pm

StandUp wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:48 pm

richardt84 wrote:Some more context on performances during the last 20 minutes on this thread on Twitter…

https://twitter.com/samlstandsup/status ... CVwWr5rDZQ

1. Bench not trusted
2. Bench not being used because they aren’t good enough and starting 15 knackered leading to tries.
3. Bench comes on and tries conceded.
4. We defend leads?

Surely this is bad coaching/management.
If the bench isn’t good enough or trusted then why are they on the payroll? Get them out the door and give the academy lads a run. It’ll be the same result anyway. No point people getting a decent wage if they aren’t earning it.
Something needs to change or the same sh1te will happen again and again.

I have to disagree .

Absentees through injury and returning from injury- McGrath,Moore, Roberts, Stewart, Izzy, Jordi, Addison, stockdale, Marshall, Lowry, Gilroy, Lyttle. Not even mentioning our NIQ Carter or what has happened with Reidy.

Yesterday we had this Bench
John Andrew(average)Eric O’Sullivan (average) Gareth Milasinovich (poor), Kieran Treadwell(penalty machine in close games), Matty Rea, (laughable) Nathan Doak(should of been on) Ian Madigan(best days well well behind him), Ben Moxham (will end up in Jersey or Ealing)

If there were no injuries our bench would be very different.
TOT, Stewart ,Warwick, Treadwell(Carter,Izzy),Jordi (Reidy), Doak,Lowry (Marshall), Stockdale (Addison/McIlroy,Gilroy)

Team for next year

1. AW EOS CR
2. RH TS JA DM
3. MM JTA TOT GM
45. IH AOC KT CI SC
678. NT MR MR DV DMC JM GJ SR
9. JC ND DS
10. BB IM JF
12/13 SMC JH LM SM JP AC
11/14 BM CG RB RL EMC JS
15 ML WA

If we can sign SK and a quality 2nd row after WC then Ulster are not far away.


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Big-al wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 6:52 pm

StandUp wrote:

kingofthehill wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 5:48 pm

richardt84 wrote:Some more context on performances during the last 20 minutes on this thread on Twitter…

https://twitter.com/samlstandsup/status ... CVwWr5rDZQ

1. Bench not trusted
2. Bench not being used because they aren’t good enough and starting 15 knackered leading to tries.
3. Bench comes on and tries conceded.
4. We defend leads?

Surely this is bad coaching/management.
If the bench isn’t good enough or trusted then why are they on the payroll? Get them out the door and give the academy lads a run. It’ll be the same result anyway. No point people getting a decent wage if they aren’t earning it.
Something needs to change or the same sh1te will happen again and again.

I have to disagree .

Absentees through injury and returning from injury- McGrath,Moore, Roberts, Stewart, Izzy, Jordi, Addison, stockdale, Marshall, Lowry, Gilroy, Lyttle. Not even mentioning our NIQ Carter or what has happened with Reidy.

Yesterday we had this Bench
John Andrew(average)Eric O’Sullivan (average) Gareth Milasinovich (poor), Kieran Treadwell(penalty machine in close games), Matty Rea, (laughable) Nathan Doak(should of been on) Ian Madigan(best days well well behind him), Ben Moxham (will end up in Jersey or Ealing)

If there were no injuries our bench would be very different.
TOT, Stewart ,Warwick, Treadwell(Carter,Izzy),Jordi (Reidy), Doak,Lowry (Marshall), Stockdale (Addison/McIlroy,Gilroy)

Team for next year

1. AW EOS CR
2. RH TS JA DM
3. MM JTA TOT GM
45. IH AOC KT CI SC
678. NT MR MR DV DMC JM GJ SR
9. JC ND DS
10. BB IM JF
12/13 SMC JH LM SM JP AC
11/14 BM CG RB RL EMC JS
15 ML WA

If we can sign SK and a quality 2nd row after WC then Ulster are not far away.


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Who or what is SK?

Ulster should be looking to SA for a 2nd row. Nortje took the Ulster and Leinster lineout to the cleaners. In many countries he'd be a starting lock, but given the frightening depth SA have there, he just makes the extended squad after injuries to the likes of Snyman.