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Only a little quibble with what you've written Cap'n: 'What I would suggest though is that some* nurses spend too much time simply standing around chatting while doing no worthwhile work.' This should read, 'What I would suggest though is that a very few nurses spend too much time simply standing around chatting while doing no worthwhile work.' I know it's nit-picking but the number of slackers is and always has been very small.

On the other hand, couldn't agree more about SEN's. Academising many jobs has been a negative step.
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As someone who has had their hand stroked by nurses (and not even as a patient), I would not underestimate it's value. Not entirely sure where they get the time to do it, but I am appreciative that they do.

Largely agree with what is said about the demise of SENs, but I would not underestimate the vocational mindset of many nurses and especially assistants.

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Must be difficult managing expectations when everybody is a graduate. The entry requirements for those degree courses are fairly stringent too.

There are certainly a lot more technically specialised nursing positions now but at the end of the day, boak still needs to be cleaned up and ar$es will always need to be wiped.
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please don't mention Brennan cleaning --- she donned the latex gloves rapt the paper round her finger inserted and turned it 3 or 4 times

I might have enjoyed it if I hadn't been embarrassed into asking . but definitely no joy at all for patient or nurse .
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rumncoke wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:19 pm please don't mention Brennan cleaning --- she donned the latex gloves rapt the paper round her finger inserted and turned it 3 or 4 times

I might have enjoyed it if I hadn't been embarrassed into asking . but definitely no joy at all for patient or nurse .
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Reminds me of the auld codger who was in to have a hernia operation.

Prior to the surgery, he hears a knock at the door of the private room he's been put into prior to theatre, and when he says, "come in", a nurse enters and says, "I need to shave you and prepare you for your operation"

He removes his pyjamas, and she carefully shaves his nether regions before explaining exactly what is going to happen, before, during and after surgery.

She then asks, "have you any questions?"

To which he replied, "Yes, just one . . . why did you knock"?
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big mervyn wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:18 pm
rumncoke wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:19 pm please don't mention Brennan cleaning --- she donned the latex gloves rapt the paper round her finger inserted and turned it 3 or 4 times

I might have enjoyed it if I hadn't been embarrassed into asking . but definitely no joy at all for patient or nurse .
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rumncoke wrote: Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:19 pm please don't mention Brennan cleaning --- she donned the latex gloves rapt the paper round her finger inserted and turned it 3 or 4 times

I might have enjoyed it if I hadn't been embarrassed into asking . but definitely no joy at all for patient or nurse .
Didn't know it was meant to be a joy for either! :shock:

They've never done it like that to me after any of my colonoscopies or after removing the ultrasound probe after my TRUS or TPUS prostate biopsies.

To the best of my knowledge the doctors performing the procedures have had the honours, but I wasn't exactly in a position to look that closely.
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Capt == Insurance comes from either the individual or the professional body true except the individual pays into both that annual payment is I am sure substantial but in the final analysis those payments are being sourced by the Tax Payer who pays the salary -- unless money is growing on trees.
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rumncoke wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2022 10:47 am Capt == Insurance comes from either the individual or the professional body true except the individual pays into both that annual payment is I am sure substantial but in the final analysis those payments are being sourced by the Tax Payer who pays the salary -- unless money is growing on trees.
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Short version -- Professional insurance premiums are paid from tax payers money thus -- insurance claims are paid indirectly by tax payers.
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rumncoke wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 8:20 am Short version -- Professional insurance premiums are paid from tax payers money thus -- insurance claims are paid indirectly by tax payers.
Professional insurance premiums are paid for by the individual, commonly through membership of a professional body.

Unless you are saying that because their salaries are paid from the public purse, their premiums are paid for from the public purse?

In which case, everything they spend their money on, from holidays, to food, to hobbies, to pets etc etc are all paid for by the tax payer (which includes themselves btw). I would suggest that is not a normal definition of "paid for by tax-payers".

I paid my own professional fees. Despite being paid by a university, I also had an honorary contract with the NHS as I was involved in diagnosis, research using NHS samples & resources, teaching (including NHS staff). I did not receive payment for my NHS work. My own employer, in common with most, if not all universities, derives its income from many sources, including student fees, foreign students' fees, donations & benefactors, legacies, and in my own case, I carried out chargeable work for large pharma companies. Despite being offered, and though I could have accepted consultancy fees in line with university policies, I declined to accept payment directly for such work, preferring to have all income paid directly to my employer as I did most of the work in the course of my paid duties and using university facilities. Some have suggested I was foolish to do so, but for me it was the honest way to do my job. Irrespective of how I was paid for that, it didn't come from the tax-payer.

I would be quite insulted if anyone were to claim that my professional fees were paid by the tax-payer. They were paid for from my own resources.

I was able to claim tax relief (at the lower rate) on my professional fees, but that is a far cry from having them paid for me.
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What i am saying is that if half the frivolous claims were binned Insurance might be cheaper and the payments to staff would be more equitable and need or desire for pay rises might be less ( the operative word is might since everybody is of the opinion they are worth more than they are being paid )

and in the case of the medical profession the fact is it is not a 9 - 5 job GPs have to read up on drugs etc -- consultants update and analysis data for any research being undertaken and research papers written relevant to their discipline as well as being on call etc or do private or semi private practice eg NHS ops in Kingsbridge or the Ulster clinic to reduce the backlog.
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Probably the wrong place for this so apologies if so: This subject is a hot topic at the moment and talked about a lot this guy seems to be a leading light and seems to know more than most, seems to have no axe to grind but is making a lot of sense in what he says.
It does annoy me if what he states is true about professional clubs attitude towards injured players, NOT AT ALSTER, couldn't be true! is it?




Mind coach Don Macpherson: 'Rugby players are treated like lepers and cast aside when most in need of support'
Daniel Schofield 18 hrs ago

Don Macpherson’s office is on the top floor of a converted barn which offers views of the gorgeous chocolate box village of Bathampton, a few miles outside Bath. Formula 1 drivers, Ryder Cup golfers, Wimbledon champions and dozens of professional rugby players, including multiple internationals, have slid themselves into his guest seat next to ‘Mike’, a stuffed monkey.

Their conversations, while individually confidential, have given Macpherson a unique insight as a mind coach into the strains of professional rugby and the efficacy of its safeguards. Sadly, the picture that Macpherson paints is not a flattering one. At 72, he is past the point of caring about relationships with Premiership clubs and feels the need to speak out on behalf of many clients who have to bite their tongues.

Mental health is certainly a big buzzword within rugby but Macpherson says much of this is “virtue signalling” designed to make the clubs look good rather than support the players. The litmus test comes when a player suffers a serious injury and can no longer perform their primary purpose for a club. Macpherson gives an example of a current England international who was ordered to keep away from the rest of his club’s squad when he was injured because his presence was deemed depressing for the others.

“They might as well have leprosy and be placed on a leper colony,” Macpherson told Telegraph Sport. “When a player is fit and well, it is also sunshine and rainbows. But when they are injured and are in most need of support they are cast aside. They go from being treated like a human being to a racehorse with a broken leg.”

This is particularly dangerous as injured players, in Macpherson’s experience, are already at risk of developing depression. Suddenly they are not just prevented from performing their job but their social circle is cut off as well. Their brain chemical balance can also be skewed as the happy hormones produced by playing – serotonin, oxytocin, dopamine, endorphins – are turned off. In their place, adrenalin is pumped out but with no outlet for it to be burned off. This is where ‘Mike’ comes in.

“When you're sitting there, not able to move, you start to ruminate on things,” Macpherson said. “And that's when you are a sitting target for what I call a monkey hijack. And the monkey chatter you're now hearing is ‘I can't stand this. How long will I be out? Will I ever get back in the team? What does this mean for my future?’

“You can get overwhelmed by these negative emotions because the brain is not able to produce the brain chemicals it does when you are playing. The main cause of depression is ongoing, unresolved anxiety. If any individual has anxiety that is unresolved or doesn't appear to be an it and these brain chemicals continue to be out of balance then there is significant potential for anxiety to be a tipping point into depression. And once it's tipped into depression, it's far more difficult to bring it back.”

'My worry is there are other Gary Speeds walking around lost'
Macpherson’s job in his private consultations with players is to provide them with the mental tools to stop it ever reaching this point.

Yet while his client list extends across the Premiership – seven directors of rugby have also sat next to Mike at various points – he regularly hears of sad cases of players tumbling down rabbit holes of addiction having been left to their own devices by clubs.

“I am more concerned now than ever that rugby union players will finish their rehab and worry about going home,” Macpherson said.

“Particularly if they are by themselves and they are not feeling well mentally they can turn to drink or gambling. Then you are sliding down a very slippery slope. It is imperative that more people are trained and supported to deal with these situations and aren't just lucky.

“It’s the bewilderment and the feeling of being overwhelmed. Even Gary Speed’s (the former Wales manager who took his own life) wife didn't know how depressed he was. And that's my worry. They're out there, the Gary Speeds walking around lost and bewildered.”

Macpherson’s first introduction to rugby union came through a meeting with Bath fly half and fellow Mancunian John Horton in the mid 1970s. Professionally, Macpherson had started working as a mind coach in Formula One and it was through Tom Walkinshaw, the former racing team owner who bought Gloucester Rugby, that he moved into the game. While he was briefly employed as a mind coach directly by Bath Rugby under Mike Ford – back when they used to win games – Macpherson mainly works with individuals such as Leicester fly half George Ford for whom he compiles weekly MP3 voice recordings.

Whether it is performing at the top of your game through visualisation or coping with adversity, Macpherson is providing a player with the tools to help himself as he outlines in his book How to Master Your Monkey Mind. The difference with sports psychologists is that they will identify the problem rather than helping you to fix it. “It is like a mechanic understanding why an engine is misfiring rather than saying the car won’t start.”

Coming from a Formula One background, Macpherson was still surprised by just how much strain rugby players are under without the requisite support available to drivers. “You would think coming from Formula One, I know all about the pressures of sport,” Macpherson said. “And there are common denominators, particularly the dangerous ones where the monkey mind is going to be more concerned about safety. But what I wasn't prepared for was the amount of mental pressure these guys were under not just on the sport but in training. It can be all-consuming and there’s not enough help.

“There’s still too much virtue signalling about mental health. I want to see rugby union walk the walk because they are lagging a long way behind other sports and putting players at risk.”
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volvo wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:34 pm Probably the wrong place for this so apologies if so: This subject is a hot topic at the moment and talked about a lot this guy seems to be a leading light and seems to know more than most, seems to have no axe to grind but is making a lot of sense in what he says.
It does annoy me if what he states is true about professional clubs attitude towards injured players, NOT AT ALSTER, couldn't be true! is it?

Mind coach Don Macpherson: 'Rugby players are treated like lepers and cast aside when most in need of support'
Daniel Schofield 18 hrs ago

Don Macpherson’s office is on the top floor of a converted barn which offers views of the gorgeous chocolate box village of Bathampton, a few miles outside Bath. Formula 1 drivers, Ryder Cup golfers, Wimbledon champions and dozens of professional rugby players, including multiple internationals, have slid themselves into his guest seat next to ‘Mike’, a stuffed monkey......

...... “There’s still too much virtue signalling about mental health. I want to see rugby union walk the walk because they are lagging a long way behind other sports and putting players at risk.”
Thank you for this interesting and thoughtful post, Volvo. Just FTAOD I've cut the quote merely as it's a bit long to have in its entirety, not because the excluded bits were dull or irrelevant.

Putting to one side my cynicism about this being (a) a businessman talking his wares to (b) a journalist who needs a story to file, to answer your specific question, my response would be to ask the question of 'was what UR did adequate for you/helpful for you and how could it be improved' (in this order) to: Marcell Coetzee, Iain Henderson, Will Addison, Jacob Stockdale, Rob Balacoune, Rob Lyttle, Luke Marshall, Jack McGrath and Gareth Milanosovich.

That would provide a sample that is both sufficient in size, and also in 'quality'. The word 'quality' is in inverted commas as I would hazard that whilst the monkey is probably the same for all players who have achieved the level of an Ulster Rugby senior contract, their relative status in the squad may well determine (a) their own internal response to the monkey and (b) the conscious, or unconscious, response of the coaching and management team to the player. Whether the player mentions the monkey or not.

And to look at outcomes, given that a number of posters on this forum don't seem to want to give Gareth Milanosovich even the steam off their p**h (but might possibly buy his sausages), then is offering him a move to Sarries an off-load or an opportunity ? And what would he (and his monkey) see it as ?

At bottom however, professional sport is a results business. And coaches seemed to get sacked before players do. So, who has the difficult task of dealing with injured players ? I doubt there's a coach in the land who would guarantee a place in their team to anyone but Jonny Sexton, Maro Itoje and Marcus Smith. And what do you say to the players who've more than adequately filled their shoes whilst injured; "you can handle the rejection but he can't" ? Callously put, but in essence what a coach is paid to do. Although never it would seem one on which they are sought or recruited.

I fully appreciate that there is no 'one-size fils all' solution, but you can bet there will be a 'one-size fits all' approach, no doubt involving visits to expensive experts. To what extent however should we sympathise with a 28 year old career professional at UR compared with this 28 year old: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12 ... sachs.html ? [Do note what Goldman Sachs do to keep their staff in action....]

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