Who will decide

[Snipe Watson]

I confess to being very conflicted, my wife,son and daughter who have little or no interest in Rugby utterly abominate the disgraceful misogynistic language that the WhatsApp group appears to have considered perfectly normal. My daughter says she has not seen anything like it in her circle of friends, though friends have told me their daughters considered it reasonably normal.

They have no interest in the fact that it should never have been seen in public, it has been and it is revolting.

I’m with them so far, but here is where I diverge, and they are dismayed. I believe in proportionality. I believe 20 months of worry about being jailed never mind the comparatively secondary consequence of losing your job is a pretty fair price to pay for talking in luridly misogynistic terms in your illadvised social media expressions, which of course may or may not be a measure of your genuine beliefs and behaviours.

I believe that what they have endured over 20 months of a dubious prosecution and the stresses endured are at the very least punishment for what amounts to Orwellian thought crime.

I don’t expect everyone to forgive and forget, I doubt we’ll see it but I would like to see proportional reactions, not a headlong rush to demand that their lives must be completely ruined over inappropriate language and blatant misogyny.

People, particularly young men, carelessly and unthinkingly use a lot of pejorative terminology in their everyday language that does not necessarily reflect their true thoughts. This terminology is often, amongst other things: sexist, ageist, homophobic, racist and always distasteful. I don't think that this means that the individuals involved are sexist, ageist, homophobic or racist, but it does mean that they are careless in their casual conversations and do not think about how their comments are potentially received outside of their intended audience. Young men generally don't think.

[Jackie Brown]

I know they are damned by association but don't lose sight of the fact PJ didn't write anything mysogynistic. Blane McIlroy is the true prat in this scenario.

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[big mervyn]

I confess to being very conflicted, my wife,son and daughter who have little or no interest in Rugby utterly abominate the disgraceful misogynistic language that the WhatsApp group appears to have considered perfectly normal. My daughter says she has not seen anything like it in her circle of friends, though friends have told me their daughters considered it reasonably normal.

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Perfectly normal in private messaging according to my daughter and her partner aged 29/35.

[Snipe Watson]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09xjshw

10 min 20 sec in.

[Deraless]

I find it hard to believe she fancies herself as a journalist. The ad is very poorly written. Maybe nowadays everyone with a blog is considered a journalist.

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[big mervyn]

I find it hard to believe she fancies herself as a journalist. The ad is very poorly written. Maybe nowadays everyone with a blog is considered a journalist.

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She wasn't very articulate on the radio either.

[promenader 2]

I find it hard to believe she fancies herself as a journalist. The ad is very poorly written. Maybe nowadays everyone with a blog is considered a journalist.

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She got into TV journalism through her appearance on Big Brother. Unlikely that she has ever undertaken any training in journalism.

[Dave]

Jamie Bwyson 2.0

[jean valjean]

I find it hard to believe she fancies herself as a journalist. The ad is very poorly written. Maybe nowadays everyone with a blog is considered a journalist.

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She got into TV journalism through her appearance on Big Brother. Unlikely that she has ever undertaken any training in journalism.

Not the same girl. The belly telly made the same mistake.

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[twiglet]

Good 'Cup Final' day at Ravers today. Didn't see any of the concerned fans supporting any of the six teams on show.

One thing that was brought to my attention, whilst at Ravers, was that the UR staff seem to have seen lots of support for the 'don't let them play again brigade' but not that much for the 'they're innocent get them back playing as soon as possible' supporters. Might I suggest that everyone posting/reading articles on this site send emails or letters to Bryn, Logan or even to Ulster Rugby in general. Perhaps you could tell your friends and relatives to send messages of support too.

Maybe Mr Logan could use his Christian values of forgiveness in the situation.

[Jackie Brown]

I've typed a letter, will post tomorrow

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[Dave]

Good 'Cup Final' day at Ravers today. Didn't see any of the concerned fans supporting any of the six teams on show.

One thing that was brought to my attention, whilst at Ravers, was that the UR staff seem to have seen lots of support for the 'don't let them play again brigade' but not that much for the 'they're innocent get them back playing as soon as possible' supporters. Might I suggest that everyone posting/reading articles on this site send emails or letters to Bryn, Logan or even to Ulster Rugby in general. Perhaps you could tell your friends and relatives to send messages of support too.

Maybe Mr Logan could use his Christian values of forgiveness in the situation.

We are all keyboard warriors. No action will be taken.

[Cockatrice]

The Feminist Network are targeting the Ospreys game... suspect they will place themselves outside as they won’t want to pay to get in.. although some on field protest could make the news... I remember once when some glipe once climbed the walls and painted the posts but that was before social media.

Season tickets going well so the storm is settling.. Bryn has promised change and after they announce the new coach ticket sales will go thru the roof.. Terry will eventually come out of hiding and Paddy will be our starting 10 next year.

[big mervyn]

[Alister Scott]

I've typed a letter, will post tomorrow

Is there a crowd funding campaign to help with the postage stamp?

Prices have rocketed I believe.