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And when RoG's boot is left in the dressingroom then the score goes out the window
Who cares about his left boot, ROG is a righty!!!!!!

And to Ithryn
You've conveniently forgotten Scotland v Ireland in June 2007. Wallace pretty much had a disaster at 10 and 12 that day.
You cant blame Paddy, I doubt there were too many involved with Irish rugby in Scotland around that time, Ireland played Scotland in August :D. But in all seriousness Paddy wasnt the only one who had a mare that day, the whole team just didnt get it together!!
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Yer falling into the trap of taking George seriously. He's a controversy merchant not a rugby pundit.
This is total cowpat.
Paddy isn’t good enough to play 10 for Ulster never mind Ireland. For once George is right. We have Trimble, Best, Ferris and possibly Boss who are good enough for Ireland.
Munster are European champions again and Leinster won the league. They are both way ahead of us and have far more quality players. Deal with it.


Totally agree Gerry.
Paddys best position is 12, def not a 10 unfortunately!!
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GerryO' wrote:This is total cowpat.
Paddy isn’t good enough to play 10 for Ulster never mind Ireland. For once George is right. We have Trimble, Best, Ferris and possibly Boss who are good enough for Ireland.
Munster are European champions again and Leinster won the league. They are both way ahead of us and have far more quality players. Deal with it.
Gerry,

I'm not making an argument for Paddy being good or even good enough. I agree that few of our players would rank above their provincial counterparts. It was just that listening to Hooke and his tripe really annoyed me. He has a few favourites whom he holds up as paragons of rugby virtue, even when they play badly, and about everyone else he refuses to recognise any posititves at all - except very occasionally and only whenthey are grudgingly beaten out of him with a metaphorical stick.
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What we must remember is that last nights game was ML standard or lower (in terms of organised defence). Paddy can play that well in an open ML game for Ulster and for Ireland (Pacific Islands 06), but put an organised defence in front of him and he cant control a game as well at 10.

But credit where its due, he played very well last night and the pundits ought to have given him that credit. He could only play what was in front of him.

When we get annoyed with hook and Pope, just remember their words before kick off, both predicted a comofrtable win for the Baa Baas. At half time and 24 points up to Ireland, all they could do was slate the Baa Baas for not showing up, no credit to Ireland. As GerryO succinctly put, they arent pundits just controversy merchants. The trouble is the lay spectator takes it all in as gospel and spouts it out again on forums and in pubs :evil:

All in all, credit to Ireland and Bradley for breaking the EOS shackles. They peroformed above the expectations of nearly all of us, and I dont think an EOS team would have played with such invention even in an exhibition match.
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I think this idea of breaking the EOS shackles is totally wrong - Did we not rack up 50 points away to Italy under EOS and large scores against Eng, Scot, Wales also during that time as well as thrashing weaker teams like the Pacific Islands....
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JB1974 wrote:I think this idea of breaking the EOS shackles is totally wrong - Did we not rack up 50 points away to Italy under EOS and large scores against Eng, Scot, Wales also during that time as well as thrashing weaker teams like the Pacific Islands....
In the heyday of the EOs gameplan yes. In the last 12 months Ireland have been so predictable and shackled that even the minnows (with respect) of Georgia and Namibia were tactically more adept than us. Last nights performance was just refreshing in comparison.
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fuzzylogic wrote: So go on Gerry explain to us all ur reasons as to why hes not good enough???
I’m just like EOS… now that is funny! :lol:

He’s not good enough for Ireland because he is not good enough for Ulster. That’s what I said, fairly simple really.


On the subject of George Hook:

I have always believed and said that GH is a comedian masquerading as a rugby pundit. He is entertaining, but you should never make the mistake of taking him seriously; he doesn’t. He latches onto favourite players and controversial topics like the ROG vs. Humph debate. It is all show for TV, not serious rugby comment.

On the subject of Paddy Wallace:

Paddy is a very talented footballer who has never ceased to disappoint me over the years. I thought he was going to be a great 10, I was wrong. I thought he was going to be a great 15, I was wrong again. I hope he makes it as a12, but his defence needs to be sorted out his tackle technique is dire.
His problems as a 10 are: his defence, his kicking from hand & his goal kicking are average at best and his control of a tight structured game is flaky.
He is fantastic when there are gaps everywhere like last night or against the Pacific Islands. But you don’t get those gaps in the 6N or on tour to NZ, RSA or OZ so when are you going to play him? He’s no good on the bench except as a late replacement when the game opens up. He is in ways similar to Humph only not as good.

It's good to be loyal to our players, but at times the truth is just staring you in the face. If Ireland had a decent option at 10 Paddy wouldn’t feature. Sexton and NOC will both overtake Paddy in the ratings within a year. That’s why Sexton is going to the Churchill Cup to get games and Paddy is going down to NZ & Oz to sit on the bench.
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GerryO' wrote:I have always believed and said that GH is a comedian masquerading as a rugby pundit.
And the evidence:

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sorry i couldn't join you all for the second half!
but anyway I was loving George Hook being put back in his place by the other guy (New Zelander) about Paddy Wallace!
Good on him, Paddy played well and his kicking was superb!
I HATE the way George Hook really has something about Ulster players especially Outhalfs, sure he done the same thing the Humphreys and Humphreys was twice the player O'Gara was then........

He just loves O'Gara! Wise up George Paddy played well! :D
And Neilf Ferris played well second half, you proved me wrong :wink:
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fuzzylogic wrote:
And when RoG's boot is left in the dressingroom then the score goes out the window
Who cares about his left boot, ROG is a righty!!!!!!

And to Ithryn
You've conveniently forgotten Scotland v Ireland in June 2007. Wallace pretty much had a disaster at 10 and 12 that day.
You cant blame Paddy, I doubt there were too many involved with Irish rugby in Scotland around that time, Ireland played Scotland in August :D. But in all seriousness Paddy wasnt the only one who had a mare that day, the whole team just didnt get it together!!

huh i hadnt even posted in this thread? nor did i write anything like that so what are you quoting or responding too? you've confused me? did i post some crap drunk or something? do i know you btw?
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Appologies, I dont know were ou name came from, that should have been directed towards Neil F, I was the drunken one last night!!!

And no I dont think i know you!!
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fair do's, thought perhaps you knew me and hadnt revealed your forum alias or something (im awful with names etc)
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BRADLEY WANTS IRISH TO LAY DOWN MARKER
By Andrew Baldock, PA Sport Rugby Union Correspondent
Michael Bradley has challenged his Ireland squad to "make a statement" on
their tour of New Zealand and Australia.
Bradley, the side's coach until Munster's Heineken Cup-winning supremo Declan
Kidney takes charge later this summer, takes his squad to Wellington on Friday.
The All Blacks and Wallabies await in one-off games, with Test match history
suggesting Ireland could struggle.
They have never beaten New Zealand - home or away - from 20 attempts, while
their last eight Tests against Australia Down Under all produced defeats in a
sequence stretching back almost 30 years.
Ireland though, are under pressure to improve their current International Rugby
Board world ranking of eighth following a dismal World Cup campaign and
disappointing RBS 6 Nations tournament earlier this season.
The draw for World Cup 2011 in New Zealand will be based on the rankings on
December 1 this year.
Ireland, though, might never have a better chance of beating either southern
hemisphere giant on foreign soil.
New Zealand are rebuilding after their World Cup flop, with established stars
such as Chris Jack, Byron Kelleher, Doug Howlett and Jerry Collins among a long
list of unavailable players.
Australia, meanwhile, have a new coach at the helm in Canterbury Crusaders boss
Robbie Deans, whose first squad is likely to include several new faces.
Assessing New Zealand's situation, Bradley said: "There are 10 or 11 players
who have moved on from the World Cup, and they haven't played an international
since then.
"But they are a country of quality players. New Zealand are extremely
dangerous when the perception is that they might be under pressure.
"We've got to be very aware of that.
"I am very happy travelling out with this group of players. Hopefully, we can
make a statement when we are out there, and maybe impove our world ranking as
well."
Whether or not Ireland captain Brian O'Driscoll is part of that mission,
remains to be seen.
O'Driscoll missed last night's tour warm-up win against the Barbarians in
Gloucester, returning to Dublin just hours before kick-off following the death
of a close friend.
Wing Shane Horgan took over as skipper, scoring two of Ireland's five tries in
a 39-14 success that also featured a double for number eight Jamie Heaslip.
Speaking directly after the game, Ireland lock Bob Casey said: "It's a very
sad day.
"All our thoughts are with Brian and the family of his friend and his loved
ones.
"The boys were very professional. We spoke about it beforehand, and the
reaction of the guys shows how much they think of Brian."
Connacht's Gavin Duffy was drafted into midfield alongside Luke Fitzgerald, and
Ireland produced some quality, high-tempo rugby to comfortably see off a
Barbarians side that included the likes of Lesley Vainikolo, Stephen Larkham,
Michael Claassens and Cobus Visagie.
Bradley added: "We set our stall out in terms of defence and a couple of
objectives in relation to that, and also we had worked on our off-loading game
and our phase play the last couple of weeks.
"The 22 players involved did very well. We are obviously very happy.
"That Barbarians side had very good players in terms of names on the park.
"They didn't perform as well as you might have expected, but that was due to
the pressure we put on them and the intensity the lads performed at for the full
80 minutes.
"We can only take out of the game what we can in terms of the positives, and
we are very happy."
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was on the munster forum and they would prefer paddy at 12, and luke at 13....

my teams are :

Team Vs Kiwis..
Kearney
Horgan
Fitzgerald
BO'D (Wallace)
Bowe
RO'G
Reddan

Horan
Flannery
Hayes
DO'C
PO'C
Quinlan
Wallace
Heaslip

Subs
Best, Buckley, MO'D, Leamy, Stringer, Wallace, Murphy


Team against OZ

Kearney
Dowling
Fitz
BO'D (Wallace)
Bowe
RO'G
Boss

Horan
Best
Buckley
DO'C
MO'D
Jennings
....... (not sure)
Leamy

subs
Flannery, Young, Hayes, PO'C, Reddan, Wallace, Dempsey..

Iknow wallace defence isnt good but he should do better than Duffy last night
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